Who has Joe openly has his eyes on Thread

Whiteman · 05-28-2009, 03:22 AM

Got this from Real Gm thought it was an interesting subject we can discuss here.

Remember when Dumars tried to get Chris Webber here as a free agent back in the day before he went to Sacramento (?), but was rejected, so we had to settle for Uncle Cliffy instead?

Remember when Dumars was cock blocked by Matt Geiger from getting Allen Iverson?

Remember when Dumars wanted Nazr Mohommed back when he was with Atlanta and was considered as an up-and-coming young center?

Rip Hamilton and Billups

Dumars eventually got all of these guys. I was trying to think of other players that Dumars has openly pursued, but couldn't get (at the time). This could be key to guessing some of these future transactions that may take place this summer.

Does anyone have any players in mind?

Dave Bing · 05-28-2009, 04:51 AM

Iverson? Tim Thomas?

Money23 · 05-28-2009, 06:57 AM

Carmelo

Lou Stefanic · 05-28-2009, 07:49 AM

Tracey McGrady [shudder].

hack · 05-28-2009, 08:11 AM

Carmelo sure isn't happening now...

Did he ever openly pine for McGrady? I hope not...

There was also the Stephen Jackson thing.

Jeff Hause · 05-28-2009, 08:28 AM

Tim Thomas.

Dave Bing · 05-28-2009, 08:52 AM

The Vanilla Gorilla.

Medz · 05-28-2009, 09:00 AM

Turkoglu.

tin mad dog · 05-28-2009, 01:52 PM

Webber was already in Sacto but that's beside the point.

tin mad dog · 05-28-2009, 01:52 PM

Maybe Joe D will bring back Rodney White and Mateen?

tin mad dog · 05-28-2009, 01:55 PM

Per Wiki

Overseas

White's career picked up in Europe, but his journeyman tag remained. White first caught on in the Spanish League with Bàsquet Manresa, followed by a stint with Lagun Aro Bilbao. He was cut by Bilbao on November 1, 2006. The following month, he joined Scavolini-Gruppo Spar Pesaro in the Italian League for the remainder of their season. In November 2007, he joined the Chinese League team Zhejiang Guangsha. He next played with the Arecibo Captains of the Puerto Rican League. In the summer of 2008, he signed a contract with the Euroleague power Maccabi Tel Aviv[3]. He was cut by Maccabi on December 2, 2008.

Money23 · 05-28-2009, 11:28 PM

Dang. I kinda feel bad for him.

tin mad dog · 05-29-2009, 12:46 AM

Hey, he's been getting paid for several years to travel the world and play basketball. Not a bad way to spend your early-to-mid 20's.

Money23 · 05-29-2009, 01:15 AM

True!!!

mn3 · 05-29-2009, 05:12 PM

I still remember watching him with us and thinking, WTF? what does anyone see in this guy?

Fool · 05-29-2009, 05:44 PM

That's hard to believe.

mn3 · 05-29-2009, 05:51 PM

LOL - nevertheless, I couldn't see what the fuss was about. I was HOPING of course that he was the best player in the draft yada yada yada, but I was puzzled at what I was missing.

Hobbs · 05-29-2009, 06:20 PM

Chris Bosh obviously fits in this category.

There were some rumors last year that we really wanted Jason Thompson in the draft. Not sure what Sacto is going to be doing, but they'll probably hold onto him.

Whitley · 05-29-2009, 07:15 PM

I think Kaman came and worked out that year. I remember Dumars talking pretty highly of him as well.

Diddy · 05-30-2009, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mn3

LOL - nevertheless, I couldn't see what the fuss was about. I was HOPING of course that he was the best player in the draft yada yada yada, but I was puzzled at what I was missing.

Who are you trying to fool? You probably thought he was the 2nd coming of Scottie Pippen after 3 summer league games.

Whiteman · 05-30-2009, 02:13 AM

Wrong about Iverson and right about Billups doing the same old same old for Denver. Close but not close enough.

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 02:17 AM

"Same old same old" All Star All-NBA season and a Conference Final. Don't be a tool...

Whiteman · 05-30-2009, 02:22 AM

That too but Jeff I rather have a player take a whole season off and perform well at the big Stage. Give me a Robert Horry any year over a Chauncey Billups year.

Whiteman · 05-30-2009, 02:23 AM

Except the 2004 Billups year lol

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 02:24 AM

LOL

Which won was a Finals MVP?

Whiteman · 05-30-2009, 02:25 AM

The 2004 Billups

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 02:26 AM

Beat me to it.

How can you compare Chauncey raising a team like the Nuggets to a Conference Final to Robert Horry landing as a backup on teams that were already in the Finals and spotting up for shots for 5 minutes a game?

Whiteman · 05-30-2009, 02:39 AM

My point is rising to the occasion and that only happened in 04 against the Lakers (who didn't have Robert Horry..Thank God lol)

Hey I love what Billups did for Denver that does not go unnoticed. Just hate when your best player who has a clear cut advantage over his opponent plays to the level of his comp.

Also thrilled in a selfish Piston way that Billups went as far as he might of this year with us.

Lakers are in their prime and are set up for the next couple of years which also means not good news for Denver. I dont see Denver out doing the Lakers in the future and Denver could have already possibly peaked just as last years Piston team could not go any father with how they were constructed. And for Denver the Lakers are not their only comp for years to come, Teams like Portland and Houston could very well pass them. So when people say Denver got the better deal, it wont matter because it did not get Denver to the Finals. I think this was Denver's best shot and now we can focus on our future.

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 02:43 AM

Well, obviously they'll trade Chauncey for cap space, since getting to the Conference Finals sucks so bad...

Diddy · 05-30-2009, 02:45 AM

Mateen Cleaves and Bonzi Wells. Wells was tearing it up in China last I heard until they terminated his contract.

Whiteman · 05-30-2009, 02:47 AM

No Denver is 1 piece away. If you are fine with getting to the conference finals for the last 6 years and failing then you want Billups on your team. Dumars was tired of that shit.

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 02:49 AM

I'll bet he loves 39 wins...

Whiteman · 05-30-2009, 02:52 AM

Not after this free agency year and still 39 wins.

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 02:53 AM

Our best big man right now is Kwame Brown. We wouldn't win TWENTY-nine...

Whiteman · 05-30-2009, 02:54 AM

What the plan then Jeff?

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 02:55 AM

So far, the Piston plan is.... suck...

hack · 05-30-2009, 02:55 AM

Horry has 7 rings from 3 teams. Not saying he's anywhere near the player Chauncey is, but what a stat. He certainly does step up in the spotlight.

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 02:56 AM

It helps to have Rasheed on him...

Whiteman · 05-30-2009, 02:57 AM

7 rings or 1 ring. I'll take the player with 7 rings.

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 02:58 AM

Good plan. Joe should hire you.

Whiteman · 05-30-2009, 02:59 AM

Also if you want to debate about Chauncey going to the finals and becoming a finals MVP, lets not forget that if it weren't for Tays Block, does Billups even get a chance to be a finals MVP? Tay hustles back from a Billups turnover and that play was the key play in the series.

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 03:01 AM

No argument. So Robert Horry gets us another 20 wins and advances us to the Finals. Joe will be calling soon.

Whiteman · 05-30-2009, 03:02 AM

Question for you who is more worthy of joining the Hall of Fame Horry or Billups? Whats more impressive 7 strait conference finals or 7 rings?

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 03:03 AM

No argument. You've solved the team's problems.

Whiteman · 05-30-2009, 03:05 AM

lol I'm going to bed

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 03:07 AM

You've fixed it. 12 guys who average 7 points and 4 rebounds for their careers...

Money23 · 05-30-2009, 05:08 AM

LMAO

So wrong.

Dave Bing · 05-30-2009, 11:41 AM

Chuck Nevitt had twice as many rings as Chauncey.

sam dav · 05-30-2009, 01:50 PM

This thread has turned wrong very quickly.

Jeff Hause · 05-30-2009, 02:21 PM

Sort of like our team...

05-28-2009, 03:22 AM	#1
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Who has Joe openly has his eyes on Thread Got this from Real Gm thought it was an interesting subject we can discuss here. Remember when Dumars tried to get Chris Webber here as a free agent back in the day before he went to Sacramento (?), but was rejected, so we had to settle for Uncle Cliffy instead? Remember when Dumars was cock blocked by Matt Geiger from getting Allen Iverson? Remember when Dumars wanted Nazr Mohommed back when he was with Atlanta and was considered as an up-and-coming young center? Rip Hamilton and Billups Dumars eventually got all of these guys. I was trying to think of other players that Dumars has openly pursued, but couldn't get (at the time). This could be key to guessing some of these future transactions that may take place this summer. Does anyone have any players in mind?

05-28-2009, 01:52 PM	#9
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Webber was already in Sacto but that's beside the point. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

05-28-2009, 01:52 PM	#10
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Maybe Joe D will bring back Rodney White and Mateen? __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

05-28-2009, 01:55 PM	#11
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Per Wiki Overseas White's career picked up in Europe, but his journeyman tag remained. White first caught on in the Spanish League with Bàsquet Manresa, followed by a stint with Lagun Aro Bilbao. He was cut by Bilbao on November 1, 2006. The following month, he joined Scavolini-Gruppo Spar Pesaro in the Italian League for the remainder of their season. In November 2007, he joined the Chinese League team Zhejiang Guangsha. He next played with the Arecibo Captains of the Puerto Rican League. In the summer of 2008, he signed a contract with the Euroleague power Maccabi Tel Aviv[3]. He was cut by Maccabi on December 2, 2008. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

05-29-2009, 12:46 AM	#13
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Hey, he's been getting paid for several years to travel the world and play basketball. Not a bad way to spend your early-to-mid 20's. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

05-28-2009, 04:51 AM	#2
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Iverson? Tim Thomas?

05-28-2009, 06:57 AM	#3
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Carmelo

05-28-2009, 07:49 AM	#4
Lou Stefanic Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,576 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Tracey McGrady [shudder].

05-28-2009, 08:11 AM	#5
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Carmelo sure isn't happening now... Did he ever openly pine for McGrady? I hope not... There was also the Stephen Jackson thing.

05-28-2009, 08:28 AM	#6
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Tim Thomas.

05-28-2009, 08:52 AM	#7
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	The Vanilla Gorilla.

05-28-2009, 09:00 AM	#8
Medz Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,211 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Turkoglu.

05-28-2009, 11:28 PM	#12
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Dang. I kinda feel bad for him.

05-29-2009, 01:15 AM	#14
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	True!!!

05-29-2009, 05:12 PM	#15
mn3 Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,502 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	I still remember watching him with us and thinking, WTF? what does anyone see in this guy?

05-29-2009, 05:44 PM	#16
Fool Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 850 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	That's hard to believe.

05-29-2009, 05:51 PM	#17
mn3 Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,502 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	LOL - nevertheless, I couldn't see what the fuss was about. I was HOPING of course that he was the best player in the draft yada yada yada, but I was puzzled at what I was missing.

05-29-2009, 06:20 PM	#18
Hobbs Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,006 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Chris Bosh obviously fits in this category. There were some rumors last year that we really wanted Jason Thompson in the draft. Not sure what Sacto is going to be doing, but they'll probably hold onto him.

05-29-2009, 07:15 PM	#19
Whitley Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 864 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	*I think Kaman came and worked out that year. I remember Dumars talking pretty highly of him as well.*

05-30-2009, 02:13 AM	#21
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Wrong about Iverson and right about Billups doing the same old same old for Denver. Close but not close enough.

05-30-2009, 02:17 AM	#22
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	"Same old same old" All Star All-NBA season and a Conference Final. Don't be a tool...

05-30-2009, 02:22 AM	#23
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	That too but Jeff I rather have a player take a whole season off and perform well at the big Stage. Give me a Robert Horry any year over a Chauncey Billups year.

05-30-2009, 02:23 AM	#24
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Except the 2004 Billups year lol

05-30-2009, 02:24 AM	#25
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	LOL Which won was a Finals MVP?

05-30-2009, 02:25 AM	#26
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	The 2004 Billups

05-30-2009, 02:26 AM	#27
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Beat me to it. How can you compare Chauncey raising a team like the Nuggets to a Conference Final to Robert Horry landing as a backup on teams that were already in the Finals and spotting up for shots for 5 minutes a game?

05-30-2009, 02:39 AM	#28
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	My point is rising to the occasion and that only happened in 04 against the Lakers (who didn't have Robert Horry..Thank God lol) Hey I love what Billups did for Denver that does not go unnoticed. Just hate when your best player who has a clear cut advantage over his opponent plays to the level of his comp. Also thrilled in a selfish Piston way that Billups went as far as he might of this year with us. Lakers are in their prime and are set up for the next couple of years which also means not good news for Denver. I dont see Denver out doing the Lakers in the future and Denver could have already possibly peaked just as last years Piston team could not go any father with how they were constructed. And for Denver the Lakers are not their only comp for years to come, Teams like Portland and Houston could very well pass them. So when people say Denver got the better deal, it wont matter because it did not get Denver to the Finals. I think this was Denver's best shot and now we can focus on our future. Last edited by Whiteman; 05-30-2009 at 02:42 AM.

05-30-2009, 02:43 AM	#29
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Well, obviously they'll trade Chauncey for cap space, since getting to the Conference Finals sucks so bad...

05-30-2009, 02:45 AM	#30
Diddy Water Boy Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 124 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Mateen Cleaves and Bonzi Wells. Wells was tearing it up in China last I heard until they terminated his contract.

05-30-2009, 02:47 AM	#31
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	No Denver is 1 piece away. If you are fine with getting to the conference finals for the last 6 years and failing then you want Billups on your team. Dumars was tired of that shit.

05-30-2009, 02:49 AM	#32
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	I'll bet he loves 39 wins...

05-30-2009, 02:52 AM	#33
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Not after this free agency year and still 39 wins.

05-30-2009, 02:53 AM	#34
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Our best big man right now is Kwame Brown. We wouldn't win TWENTY-nine...

05-30-2009, 02:54 AM	#35
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	What the plan then Jeff?

05-30-2009, 02:55 AM	#36
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	So far, the Piston plan is.... suck...