2009 NBA Finals - Orlando Magic vs. Los Angeles Lakers - Page 6

bozo the clown · 06-15-2009, 01:00 PM

Now McDyess would be great. They'd be a beast on the boards.

hack · 06-15-2009, 01:01 PM

the value of Sheed on the Magic is depriving opponents of the ability to deploy Sheed against Howard.

The Magic's problem is that awful contract they gave to the Rich Man's Pat Garrity.

Jeff Hause · 06-15-2009, 01:02 PM

The value of Sheed on the Magic is Cleveland won't have to worry about Orlando...

Mainevent · 06-15-2009, 01:06 PM

Yeah, Orlando's going to have an interesting summer. Hedo's going to get paid, but they really need to keep him since he's their best playmaker. Still, that's a lot of $$ for him and Lewis.

mn3 · 06-15-2009, 01:07 PM

Very good call. McDyess would be perfect in Orlando.

Jeff Hause · 06-15-2009, 01:10 PM

Wih a tough big, Dwight can keep from getting into foul trouble guarding Gasol, or leave Gasol open to help on Kobe.

Whiteman · 06-15-2009, 01:12 PM

Jeff I hope you are right that where ever Sheed goes he hurts our rivals but I don't want to be the one who told you so that adding sheed puts them over the top and screws us over in a series.

bozo the clown · 06-15-2009, 01:12 PM

What control do we have over it anyway? He goes where he goes.

I'm just tired of everyone talking about how great Sheed would be everywhere. Who cares. I want to know how WE are going to get better... Fuck Sheed and his over-the-hill demand for $7 million.

Jeff Hause · 06-15-2009, 01:13 PM

We can only hope we face Rasheed in the playoffs.

Stefan S · 06-15-2009, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobbs

I think if this were a standard playoff series (2 home, 2 away, then 1, 1, 1) Orlando would be throttled in game 5 in LA. Since it isn't, and Orlando gets the home game, they have a pretty good chance to get a win (50/50). LA will smoke them in game 6 though.

I was so wrong. The freaking Orlando pretty much folded down like a house made of carts, at the sight of first difficulty (i.e., after the 3rd Quarter). It was one of the least interesting series during this playoffs.

TJPiston · 06-15-2009, 01:19 PM

Why on earth is R.lewis slated to earn $18-23M per season over the next several years.

Who the hell signed off on that?

Whiteman · 06-15-2009, 01:22 PM

Well Orlando decided to over pay to become respectable and it helped get them to the finals. Lets not forget all the big playoff shots he hit this playoff run.

Stefan S · 06-15-2009, 01:22 PM

By the way, about 2-3-2 format, it seems to me that 2-2-1-1-1 benefits the team with teh home court a bit less. So, its' a bit more fair (it's just too hard to win thre games in a row, even at home).

I bet that, originally, the main reason was economic, probably to avoid the extra travel. But, if that's the case, why will not they adopt the same format in conference playoffs? Also, sometimes the distance within teh conference is as big (or bigger) as thedistance between teams belonging to different conferences. On the top of it, these days, every team has a plane. And many coaches openly beach about 2-3-2.

So, why will not they return to a more fair format?

Fool · 06-15-2009, 01:31 PM

Detroit won all three at home. If Orlando performs better in the clutch, they win the series (IMO).

Whiteman · 06-15-2009, 01:36 PM

Agreed,

This wasn't a 5 game sweep. Orlando could be up 3-2 going back to LA if they could close better.

Stefan S · 06-15-2009, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fool

Detroit won all three at home. If Orlando performs better in the clutch, they win the series (IMO).

True (about Detroit), and I agree (about Orlando).

Still, my point is that you want to make the series as even as possible. You do not want to put on a team an extra burden. Yet, forcing one team to play 3 games in a row at home seems to me to put just such an extra burden on that team. So, why not to change back to the original 2-2-1-1-1 system.

By the way, I know it would not matter about the last series. So, I guess, I' posing a more general "philosophical" question. .

Fool · 06-15-2009, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan S

You do not want to put on a team an extra burden.

I don't think that's true. If so, they'd play games at a neutral site like football (though that's impractical for 7 games) and make sure both teams got a certain threshold of rest before the series.

The team that wins more games gets the advantages, whatever they are. I don't think the 2-3-2 is particularly insurmountable. If fact in this series, if Orlando takes that 2nd game in LA and the overtime in Orlando, they have an incredible chance to close it out in Orlando having only had to play 2 games there. Under the 2-2-1-1-1 Orlando would have to have played 3 games in LA (and the close out game would have been in LA).

(And there's no doubt in my mind that Laker team, Kobe in particular, self-destructs just like in 04)

Stefan S · 06-15-2009, 02:01 PM

"I don't think that's true. If so, they'd play games at a neutral site like football (though that's impractical for 7 games) and make sure both teams got a certain threshold of rest before the series."

The neutral side is not practical for the reason of generating revenue, too -- the games are sold out during playoffs. I'm not sure they would eb sold out, if the games were played on the neautral court.

"I don't think the 2-3-2 is particularly insurmountable." Sure, you can overcome it (an example is Heat; also, to some extent, the Pistons). I think it's more difficult for the team playing 3 in a row at home than the other arrangement would be.

So, I was wondering, is the economic gain big enough to give one team that extra edge. If yes, why not the same format in the earlier rounds?

ThaMaestro · 06-15-2009, 07:14 PM

Some Tweets from last night...

Quote:

[B]THE_REAL_SHAQ[/B ] Twitpic - Share photos on Twitter Let's go baby, who you wit , it aint over til this lady sings, Hi yoOooou doin, lmao

sportsguy33 Did Dwight Howard use Fed Ex or UPS to mail in tonight's performance? And why didn't he cover himself in bubble wrap?

chrisbosh Lakers can smell that chip

[B]sportsguy33[/B ] No snarky sour grape posts from me, LA fans - you deserved it. See you in the 2010 Finals for the Boston-LA rubber match.

chrisbosh Kobe looks like he's enjoying every second of the end of this

[B]sportsguy33[/B ] Ok, just one snarky post: I think Agassi's 17-year record of "Most Over-The-Top Athlete Title Celebration" is in danger.

sportsguy33 Damn, I forgot about KG's "ANYTHING IS POSSIBULLLLLLLL!!!!!" last year. That's never getting broken. I recant my prediction.

[B]THE_REAL_SHAQ[/B ] Congratualtions kobe, u deserve it. You played great . Enjoy it my man enjoy it. And I know what yur sayin rt now "Shaq how my ass taste "

THE_REAL_SHAQ Congrats to you to phil jackson. When the general doesn't panic the troops don't panic. You are the greatest now.

THE_REAL_SHAQ Congrats to u to d fish, big shots the other day. Enjoy my man enjoy

THE_REAL_SHAQ Congrats in spanish pau gasol, muchas gracias pappacito

[B]THE_REAL_SHAQ[/B ] "Congratulations to the orlando magic, a worthy and respectable eastern conference champion" David stern

sportsguy33 Joey Buss: Doing his best to keep the reputation of legacy kids as overmatched losers alive! Fredo lives!!!!!!!!

THE_REAL_SHAQ Congrats to you to, mbengaaaaaaaa

THE_REAL_SHAQ Its nice to see the greatest big man ever on stage, smilin havin a good time. I love bill russell

sportsguy33 Joey Buss pre-ceremony: "I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says, like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!"

sportsguy33 Joey Buss hasn't been this excited since he completed the final mission on Grand Theft Auto 4 last winter

sportsguy33 NICE POINT - RT @nickhomyak: @sportsguy33 Why do the Lakers claim 15 titles when 5 were in 'Sota? At least retire Mikan's number then!

NBA @RealLamarOdom notched his 1st NBA title tonight. How happy i... on Twitpic - @RealLamarOdom notched his 1st NBA title tonight. How happy is he? Just look at this big smile he gave us.

[B]THE_REAL_SHAQ[/B ] "When you're together, you can withstand adversity" Kobe bryant

THE_REAL_SHAQ O yea congrats to u to adam morrison

NBA Twitpic - Share photos on Twitter - @RealLamarOdom notched his 1st NBA title tonight. How happy is he? Just look at this big smile he gave us.

THE_REAL_SHAQ O yea congrats to sun yue, nee how

THE_REAL_SHAQ Everybody sing my new favorite song " Shaq, tell me how ass taste"

THE_REAL_SHAQ If you can't laugh at yourself, check your sense of humor levels. Have fun, laugh, dnt be so serious Shaq oneal

DwightHoward im lookin forward to next season. and this summer to get better. we was so close. but sometimes u gotta learn how to lose to be a winner

DwightHoward and for everyone my head is not down. im ready to get better for next year. never hold ya head down. never. life is too short for that

DwightHoward i gotta go yall. watchin boondocks to clear my head. thanks for all ur support and comments. yall be easy. kobe congrats. u inspired me.

tin mad dog · 06-21-2009, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan S

I was so wrong. The freaking Orlando pretty much folded down like a house made of carts,

I guess it depends on what kind of carts we are talking about here, as some can be quite sturdy.

El Axe · 06-21-2009, 12:44 PM

I love Stefan's posts -- both for the thoughtful comment and the amusing typos.

DYNOMITE · 06-21-2009, 03:16 PM

Nice post about your love of Stefan's posts.

tin mad dog · 06-21-2009, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Axe

I love Stefan's posts -- both for the thoughtful comment and the amusing typos.

He locks it down for the Haikus. He goes about his business a little more casually here....or does a few shots.

Stefan S · 06-21-2009, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tin mad dog

He locks it down for the Haikus. He goes about his business a little more casually here....or does a few shots.

Not that I mind that you guys have fun with it (for it clearly is a good natured fun). But, to put one thing in context, I'm slightly dyslexic. I just do not freaking see certain reverasls of characters and so on (not to mention that I do not remeber well what the words are supposed to look like). Fixing it takes lots of effort and time. Sometimes I try to do it. Sometimes I just do not have time for it. (All of this on the top of English being my second language.)

Also, thank a lot for the haiku prop.

Stefan S · 06-21-2009, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Axe

I love Stefan's posts -- both for the thoughtful comment and the amusing typos.

Thank you, Sir!

El Axe · 06-21-2009, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan S

Not that I mind that you guys have fun with it (for it clearly is a good natured fun). But, to put one thing in context, I'm slightly dyslexic. I just do not freaking see certain reverasls of characters and so on (not to mention that I do not remeber well what the words are supposed to look like). Fixing it takes lots of effort and time. Sometimes I try to do it. Sometimes I just do not have time for it. (All of this on the top of English being my second language.)

Also, thank a lot for the haiku prop.

Don't worry about it -- I'm sure no-one cares if you have a couple misplaced letters.

I'd trade my spelling for your poetry any day.

bozo the clown · 06-21-2009, 11:51 PM

It's all in good fun, Stefan, no slight intended...

Money23 · 06-21-2009, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DYNOMITE

Nice post about your love of Stefan's posts.

Nice post where you give props to El Axe for his love of Stefan's posts.

tin mad dog · 06-22-2009, 01:19 AM

Indeed. Just joking, Stef. I have a bit of that too. I often switch my lowercase b's and d's.

Stefan S · 06-22-2009, 02:09 PM

I totally do not mind and know it's good natured. Thank you guys!

bozo the clown · 06-22-2009, 03:16 PM

No prolbem...

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06-15-2009, 01:00 PM	#251
bozo the clown Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,145 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Now McDyess would be great. They'd be a beast on the boards.

06-15-2009, 01:01 PM	#252
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	the value of Sheed on the Magic is depriving opponents of the ability to deploy Sheed against Howard. The Magic's problem is that awful contract they gave to the Rich Man's Pat Garrity.

06-15-2009, 01:02 PM	#253
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	The value of Sheed on the Magic is Cleveland won't have to worry about Orlando...

06-15-2009, 01:06 PM	#254
Mainevent Bench Player Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,321 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Yeah, Orlando's going to have an interesting summer. Hedo's going to get paid, but they really need to keep him since he's their best playmaker. Still, that's a lot of $$ for him and Lewis.

06-15-2009, 01:07 PM	#255
mn3 Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,502 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	Very good call. McDyess would be perfect in Orlando.

06-15-2009, 01:10 PM	#256
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Wih a tough big, Dwight can keep from getting into foul trouble guarding Gasol, or leave Gasol open to help on Kobe.

06-15-2009, 01:12 PM	#257
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Jeff I hope you are right that where ever Sheed goes he hurts our rivals but I don't want to be the one who told you so that adding sheed puts them over the top and screws us over in a series.

06-15-2009, 01:12 PM	#258
bozo the clown Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,145 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	What control do we have over it anyway? He goes where he goes. I'm just tired of everyone talking about how great Sheed would be everywhere. Who cares. I want to know how WE are going to get better... Fuck Sheed and his over-the-hill demand for $7 million.

06-15-2009, 01:13 PM	#259
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	We can only hope we face Rasheed in the playoffs.

06-15-2009, 01:19 PM	#261
TJPiston Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,636 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Why on earth is R.lewis slated to earn $18-23M per season over the next several years. Who the hell signed off on that?

06-15-2009, 01:22 PM	#262
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Well Orlando decided to over pay to become respectable and it helped get them to the finals. Lets not forget all the big playoff shots he hit this playoff run.

06-15-2009, 01:22 PM	#263
Stefan S Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,259 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	By the way, about 2-3-2 format, it seems to me that 2-2-1-1-1 benefits the team with teh home court a bit less. So, its' a bit more fair (it's just too hard to win thre games in a row, even at home). I bet that, originally, the main reason was economic, probably to avoid the extra travel. But, if that's the case, why will not they adopt the same format in conference playoffs? Also, sometimes the distance within teh conference is as big (or bigger) as thedistance between teams belonging to different conferences. On the top of it, these days, every team has a plane. And many coaches openly beach about 2-3-2. So, why will not they return to a more fair format?

06-15-2009, 01:31 PM	#264
Fool Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 850 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Detroit won all three at home. If Orlando performs better in the clutch, they win the series (IMO).

06-15-2009, 01:36 PM	#265
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Agreed, This wasn't a 5 game sweep. Orlando could be up 3-2 going back to LA if they could close better.

06-15-2009, 02:01 PM	#268
Stefan S Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,259 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	"I don't think that's true. If so, they'd play games at a neutral site like football (though that's impractical for 7 games) and make sure both teams got a certain threshold of rest before the series." The neutral side is not practical for the reason of generating revenue, too -- the games are sold out during playoffs. I'm not sure they would eb sold out, if the games were played on the neautral court. "I don't think the 2-3-2 is particularly insurmountable." Sure, you can overcome it (an example is Heat; also, to some extent, the Pistons). I think it's more difficult for the team playing 3 in a row at home than the other arrangement would be. So, I was wondering, is the economic gain big enough to give one team that extra edge. If yes, why not the same format in the earlier rounds?

06-21-2009, 12:44 PM	#271
El Axe Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 698 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I love Stefan's posts -- both for the thoughtful comment and the amusing typos.

06-21-2009, 03:16 PM	#272
DYNOMITE Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,804 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Nice post about your love of Stefan's posts.

06-21-2009, 11:51 PM	#277
bozo the clown Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,145 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	It's all in good fun, Stefan, no slight intended...

06-22-2009, 02:09 PM	#280
Stefan S Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,259 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I totally do not mind and know it's good natured. Thank you guys!

06-22-2009, 03:16 PM	#281
bozo the clown Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,145 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	No prolbem...