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Mel Kiper Jr · 01-23-2012, 08:58 AM

Gordon might be tradeable. He is shooting 45.5% from 3 and averaging 3.3 apg. Some team desperate to make another ring may be interested in him. Lakers, Spurs, Heat?

Stefan S · 01-23-2012, 09:13 AM

I agree about Gordon.

The Spurs will not be interested in him, though. They have shooters and, also, Pop will not trade for anyone so questionable defensively.

El Axe · 04-24-2012, 10:11 PM

If the Bobcats win the lottery and Sullinger falls to our pick, what about a straight up trade of Sullinger for Biyombo?

Seems to me that Davis-Sullinger and Monroe-Biyombo would be good combinations for both teams with complementary players as opposed to both teams having players with largely redundant talents.

mn3 · 04-24-2012, 11:43 PM

That makes a lot of sense.

Hobbs · 04-25-2012, 07:20 AM

Biyombo hasn't exactly been great.

hack · 04-25-2012, 07:50 AM

I'd definitely try for that. Biyimbo and Sullinger both have a future as specialists in the league, and Biyimbo's specialty is more important for us.

Jangul · 04-25-2012, 08:44 AM

I'd move our pick for Javale Mcgee before I'd trade it for Biyombo. Biyombo's hype is still a lot more impressive than his production at this point. And despite his reputation, Mcgee showed he could play well in a winning environment after the trade to Denver.

Kstat · 04-25-2012, 08:45 AM

He comes off the bench in Denver.

mn3 · 04-25-2012, 09:01 AM

He'd start in Detroit.

Kstat · 04-25-2012, 09:29 AM

I agree. Just like he started for the wizards...

If he's starting for you, you aren't going anywhere. At least Biyombo has room for growth. McGee is a buffoon.

Billl · 04-25-2012, 09:55 AM

I think it is just a bad idea to add a knucklehead to a young team. McGee is a game changing athlete, but a knucklehead as well.

BB has been decent in limited minutes. Not great. Decent. He can rebound the ball and block shots and that is about it. The jury is still out about whether he will be a game changing defender. Right now, he's a shot blocker that doesn't really impact the course of a game.

Jangul · 04-25-2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kstat

I agree. Just like he started for the wizards...

If he's starting for you, you aren't going anywhere. At least Biyombo has room for growth. McGee is a buffoon.

Charlotte has the worst record in league history. Where exactly is Biyombo taking them? McGee is getting minutes and playing well and helping win games that matter for a team headed to the playoffs(including a memorable rebound putback over Monroe that kept us from beating them last time we played). I don't think the direction of a franchise is solely dependent on either guy, neither is a franchise big man who's gonna lead anybody anywhere, but don't pretend Biyombo has some record of success in this league that puts him somehow ahead of Mcgee. Nothing resembling success or winning can be attributed to anything associated with a Bobcats player.

hack · 04-25-2012, 10:38 AM

I think that would be a lot more true were it a veteran on that team. We're talking about a raw prospect with a high ceiling and who has proved his floor isn't too low.

mn3 · 04-25-2012, 10:51 AM

Do you guys really think Sullinger is a future all-star in this league? I don't get that that's a realistic possibility.

Unless he's one hell of an offensive player, which I question, is that enough to offset his awful defensive ability? Supposedly he's got very questionable feet and agility.

So, IMO, either draft someone who fits our needs, or trade this pick for a player that does fit. I'd take Biyombo in a heartbeat.

Kstat · 04-25-2012, 10:56 AM

McGee is the new fools gold. He's been in the league too long to be as stupid as he is. Pass.

papalawrence · 04-25-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kstat

McGee is the new fools gold. He's been in the league too long to be as stupid as he is. Pass.

I agree. At some point you have to figure he just isn't going to have "it." Daye is approaching that line as well, imho.

Orwellian O. · 04-25-2012, 12:33 PM

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I agree. At some point you have to figure he just isn't going to have "it." Daye is approaching that line as well, imho.

Daye needs the motivation of either a new team or a new league.

rpmfla · 04-25-2012, 02:50 PM

Other than the video of McGee running down to the other end of the court when his team still had possession, why is he criticized here so much? Every time I have seen him play he seems like a monster force on the court. I haven't seen enough to say much about his offensive game, but he blocks shots, alters shots, and intimidates. He is about what I think Drummond may become in 2-3 years.

Dave Bing · 04-25-2012, 03:07 PM

He missed fifty percent of assignments on defense. Can't run a pick and roll. Breaks plays. Tries to block everything.

He's useful, no doubt. But his body is waaaaay ahead of his mind.

rpmfla · 04-25-2012, 03:14 PM

Can we somehow clone Monroe's brain and place it in McGee's body? I think Greg gets most of his baskets by using his brain to overcome his athletic limitations.

Kstat · 04-25-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rpmfla

Other than the video of McGee running down to the other end of the court when his team still had possession, why is he criticized here so much? Every time I have seen him play he seems like a monster force on the court. I haven't seen enough to say much about his offensive game, but he blocks shots, alters shots, and intimidates. He is about what I think Drummond may become in 2-3 years.

rpmfla · 04-25-2012, 06:09 PM

Kstat...that video proves nothing. I could make a mix of just about any player in the league making bad decisions/plays. I could also make a mix of McGee doing amazing things on the court. I didn't like Shaq as a player and I like him even less as a "personality" doing basketball commentary. I'm not a McGee fan or apologist, but I do know that he intimidated the heck out of the pistons players whenever we played his teams to the point of missing easy layups etc. I would love to have someone with his intimidation.

Dave Bing · 04-25-2012, 06:22 PM

Using 82games' "simple rating" (an improved variation on PER factoring in what opposing players do), Javale McGee is way down there....

Sortable 82games "Simple Ratings" for NBA Players

I watched him a lot. Maybe with the right coach and environment, he could really have an impact but after five years, he's still nothing special overall. Fun to watch though.

Kstat · 04-25-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rpmfla

Kstat...that video proves nothing. I could make a mix of just about any player in the league making bad decisions/plays. I could also make a mix of McGee doing amazing things on the court. I didn't like Shaq as a player and I like him even less as a "personality" doing basketball commentary. I'm not a McGee fan or apologist, but I do know that he intimidated the heck out of the pistons players whenever we played his teams to the point of missing easy layups etc. I would love to have someone with his intimidation.

McGee is an idiot. He doesn't intimidate anyone.

Half the centers in the NBA have dominated the pistons this year. Big baby looks like Moses Malone against us. We have the worst defensive front court in the NBA. If that's really your measuring stick, maybe we should have offered Glen Davis $50 million last summer.

rpmfla · 04-26-2012, 11:27 AM

Kstat, you are obviously an intelligent guy who is passionate about the Pistons. However, you seem to continue to ignore any nuance of my posts and just respond in an antagonistic, black or white manner.

Javale McGee is a physically intimidating player who, if he could play smarter on the court, could be a very good player. We have all stated that his weakness is that (as Billl stated above) "McGee is a game changing athlete but is a knucklehead".

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01-23-2012, 08:58 AM	#451
Mel Kiper Jr Bench Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,349 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Gordon might be tradeable. He is shooting 45.5% from 3 and averaging 3.3 apg. Some team desperate to make another ring may be interested in him. Lakers, Spurs, Heat?

01-23-2012, 09:13 AM	#452
Stefan S Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,259 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I agree about Gordon. The Spurs will not be interested in him, though. They have shooters and, also, Pop will not trade for anyone so questionable defensively.

04-24-2012, 10:11 PM	#453
El Axe Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 698 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	If the Bobcats win the lottery and Sullinger falls to our pick, what about a straight up trade of Sullinger for Biyombo? Seems to me that Davis-Sullinger and Monroe-Biyombo would be good combinations for both teams with complementary players as opposed to both teams having players with largely redundant talents.

04-24-2012, 11:43 PM	#454
mn3 Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,502 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	That makes a lot of sense.

04-25-2012, 07:20 AM	#455
Hobbs Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,006 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Biyombo hasn't exactly been great.

04-25-2012, 07:50 AM	#456
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'd definitely try for that. Biyimbo and Sullinger both have a future as specialists in the league, and Biyimbo's specialty is more important for us.

04-25-2012, 08:44 AM	#457
Jangul Bench Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Detroit, MI. Posts: 1,149 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'd move our pick for Javale Mcgee before I'd trade it for Biyombo. Biyombo's hype is still a lot more impressive than his production at this point. And despite his reputation, Mcgee showed he could play well in a winning environment after the trade to Denver.

04-25-2012, 08:45 AM	#458
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	He comes off the bench in Denver.

04-25-2012, 09:01 AM	#459
mn3 Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,502 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	He'd start in Detroit.

04-25-2012, 09:29 AM	#460
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I agree. Just like he started for the wizards... If he's starting for you, you aren't going anywhere. At least Biyombo has room for growth. McGee is a buffoon.

04-25-2012, 09:55 AM	#461
Billl Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,382 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I think it is just a bad idea to add a knucklehead to a young team. McGee is a game changing athlete, but a knucklehead as well. BB has been decent in limited minutes. Not great. Decent. He can rebound the ball and block shots and that is about it. The jury is still out about whether he will be a game changing defender. Right now, he's a shot blocker that doesn't really impact the course of a game.

04-25-2012, 10:38 AM	#463
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I think that would be a lot more true were it a veteran on that team. We're talking about a raw prospect with a high ceiling and who has proved his floor isn't too low.

04-25-2012, 10:51 AM	#464
mn3 Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,502 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	Do you guys really think Sullinger is a future all-star in this league? I don't get that that's a realistic possibility. Unless he's one hell of an offensive player, which I question, is that enough to offset his awful defensive ability? Supposedly he's got very questionable feet and agility. So, IMO, either draft someone who fits our needs, or trade this pick for a player that does fit. I'd take Biyombo in a heartbeat.

04-25-2012, 10:56 AM	#465
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	McGee is the new fools gold. He's been in the league too long to be as stupid as he is. Pass.

04-25-2012, 02:50 PM	#468
rpmfla Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 384 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Other than the video of McGee running down to the other end of the court when his team still had possession, why is he criticized here so much? Every time I have seen him play he seems like a monster force on the court. I haven't seen enough to say much about his offensive game, but he blocks shots, alters shots, and intimidates. He is about what I think Drummond may become in 2-3 years.

04-25-2012, 03:07 PM	#469
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	He missed fifty percent of assignments on defense. Can't run a pick and roll. Breaks plays. Tries to block everything. He's useful, no doubt. But his body is waaaaay ahead of his mind.

04-25-2012, 03:14 PM	#470
rpmfla Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 384 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Can we somehow clone Monroe's brain and place it in McGee's body? I think Greg gets most of his baskets by using his brain to overcome his athletic limitations.

04-25-2012, 06:09 PM	#472
rpmfla Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 384 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Kstat...that video proves nothing. I could make a mix of just about any player in the league making bad decisions/plays. I could also make a mix of McGee doing amazing things on the court. I didn't like Shaq as a player and I like him even less as a "personality" doing basketball commentary. I'm not a McGee fan or apologist, but I do know that he intimidated the heck out of the pistons players whenever we played his teams to the point of missing easy layups etc. I would love to have someone with his intimidation.

04-25-2012, 06:22 PM	#473
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Using 82games' "simple rating" (an improved variation on PER factoring in what opposing players do), Javale McGee is way down there.... Sortable 82games "Simple Ratings" for NBA Players I watched him a lot. Maybe with the right coach and environment, he could really have an impact but after five years, he's still nothing special overall. Fun to watch though.

04-26-2012, 11:27 AM	#475
rpmfla Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 384 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Kstat, you are obviously an intelligent guy who is passionate about the Pistons. However, you seem to continue to ignore any nuance of my posts and just respond in an antagonistic, black or white manner. Javale McGee is a physically intimidating player who, if he could play smarter on the court, could be a very good player. We have all stated that his weakness is that (as Billl stated above) "McGee is a game changing athlete but is a knucklehead".