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Old 07-19-2010, 01:13 PM   #1
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There is absolutely no doubt that the second a real trade happens I am going to post it here in the pretend trade section.
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If your fingers haven't gone arthritic by then. (I question the need for this thread.)
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This is more likely Joe's reading list:

Enriched Wheat Flour - enriched with ferrous sulphate (iron), B vitamins (niacin, thiamine mononitrate [B1], ribofavin [B12] and folic acid), sugar, corn syrup, water, high-fructose corn syrup, vegetable and/or animal shortening - containing one or more of partially hydrogenated soybean, cottonseed or canola oil, and beef fat, dextrose, whole eggs, modified corn starch, cellulose gum, whey, leavenings (sodium acid pyrophosphate, baking soda, monocalcium phosphate), salt, cornstarch, corn flour, corn syrup solids, mono and diglycerides, soy lecithin, polysorbate 60, dextrin, calcium caseinate, sodium stearol lactylate, wheat gluten, calcium sulphate, natural and artificial flavours, caramel colour, sorbic acid, colour added (yellow 5, red 40).
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I wish Utah didn't add Al Jefferson. Otherwise, we'd be well positioned to make up fake trade scenarios around Deron Williams' fake trade request.
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I'd forgotten about the FP part of DWFP.
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Gordon and Maxiell for DW
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DO IT JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111eleven
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Fake trade of the day:

Rip to NY for Eddy Curry's dead weight expiring contract

Pure salary dump but Tay + Curry's contract could be a big asset at the deadline
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I'll throw in this fake trade:

Tay and Stuckey to Portland for Pryz, Miller, and Bayless
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Sleepy Narko and Wee Willy Winkee for Shaq's 10 year old son.

Do it now Joeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fake trade of the day:

Rip to NY for Eddy Curry's dead weight expiring contract

Pure salary dump but Tay + Curry's contract could be a big asset at the deadline

I surely hope we get better than that for Rip. Maybe Curry and a 1st.

Would Curry even suit up for a game? Would we keep him around to just make Fat Joe look better?
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He'd get a chance to play. It's not like we have a backup center right now.
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NY have no 1st to give for quite awhile.
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uh....what?

The Knicks have all of their future picks. They can trade whatever pick they want.
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No they don't. Houston can swap their pick with the Knicks in the next draft. I'm fairly certain Houston also gets the Knicks pick the year after that too.
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I saw conflicting reports about that trade. I have no idea what if any picks were swapped.

It does say on nbadraft.net that there is indeed a 2011 swap of picks, and a 2012 pick top-5 protected.

Well, that was a really stupid deal.

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yep Knicks are still fucked

unless they turn that Curry contract into something
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Rip to Denver, Orlando or Utah - contending teams that would not be put off by his age or his need for a true point guard. Not sure what we would be able to get in return other than picks.
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The return of Scrabble?
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Would love to have Scrabble back. He has better defensive focus and discipline than we can expect from White at this time, and he has a better spot up three. He is also a decent finisher. His presence would make it a little easier to trade Stuckey.

That being said, our priority remains a legitimate defensive center.
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The absolute last thing we need is another 2 guard. We started the off season needing a pg and 2 bigs. We drafted 1 big who looks solid. We still need another big and pg. Any move we make has to get us closer to filling those 2 holes.
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Do not they consider White as a possible back up PG (rather than a SG)? So, Scrabble would not compete with him for playing time.

BTW, there is no need for scrabble here. We have already too many SGs.
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All trades should be focused on getting one, all or some combination of:

a) hoss to board and play D and bang
b) a shotblocker/rebounder with some offensive upside
c) some combination of a & b
d) an actual PG to run the offense
e) future first round picks

No swingmen, unless said swingman is Durant/Kobe/LeBron/Roy, etc.
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Isn't this thread the same as our Trade Rumors Thread?
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No, that's for real rumors.
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I was joking about Alfalfa. I don't really think Denver has any bigs they'd be willing to part with for Rip. It would be nice to get Ty Lawson off of them, though but we'd need to find some contracts to match Rip's.
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One thing that works is:

Rip for J.R. Smith, Renaldo Balkman & Ty Lawson. We'd then have to turn around and trade Smith, as he's not needed here and not a player I'd want. He's Captain Jack Light.

Maybe there's a 3-way option that's better.
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Okay, here's a 3-way that looks pretty good for us at least and I think works well for Denver and NY....at least I'll make that argument.

We trade Rip to Denver and get Ty Lawson and Eddy Curry with his expiring contract.

Denver trades Ty Lawson, JR Smith and Renaldo Balkman and gets Rip.

NY trades Eddy Curry and gets JR Smith & Renaldo Balkman.


We get a PG and a slug of a back-up center who may or may not play but still frees up cap space at the end of the year.

Denver gets a solid 2, who would instantly mesh with their team. They're probably only going to have a couple of more productive years out of Billups and Lawson is not guaranteed to be a stud PG to pass the torch to (he does look solid, though). They also may be tired of JR's hot and cold streaks and just brought in Al Harrington, who provides the same kind of scoring off the bench. They are already bringing back Anthony Carter so they have a back-up PG but AA could maybe get minutes backing up both guard spots.

Balkman is just a throw in. I don't know if he was a fan favorite in NY or not but at least he's a familiar face and a hustle guy.

NY gets another scorer and gives up nothing other than cap space. There's no guarantee that they can bring in 2 stars next summer so at least you make this year's team more dangerous and still have space to sign one top guy next year.
Smith is a chucker who might get 20+ PPG under D'Antoni plus maybe he'll remind people of John Starks.

Trade ID
Trade ID #5626610

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Detroit Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -6.1 ppg, +1.2 rpg, and -1.3 apg.

Incoming Players

Ty Lawson
5-11 from North Carolina
8.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 20.2 minutes

Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
3.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.0 apg in 8.9 minutes

Outgoing Players

Richard Hamilton
6-7 SG from Connecticut
18.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.4 apg in 33.7 minutes

Denver Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: -6.7 ppg, -4.2 rpg, and -1.6 apg.

Incoming Players

Richard Hamilton
6-7 SG from Connecticut
18.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.4 apg in 33.7 minutes

Outgoing Players

J.R. Smith
6-6 SG from St. Benedict's Prep (HS)
15.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.4 apg in 27.7 minutes

Renaldo Balkman
6-7 SF from South Carolina
1.1 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 7.0 minutes

Ty Lawson
5-11 from North Carolina
8.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 20.2 minutes

New York Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: +12.8 ppg, +3.0 rpg, and +2.9 apg.

Incoming Players

J.R. Smith
6-6 SG from St. Benedict's Prep (HS)
15.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.4 apg in 27.7 minutes

Renaldo Balkman
6-7 SF from South Carolina
1.1 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 7.0 minutes

Outgoing Players

Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
3.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.0 apg in 8.9 minutes


Read more: RealGM: Trade Checker
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What any of these trade propositions turn out to be real rumours? Would we have to move the post to the Real Trade Rumours thread?
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With the Lakers trying to add Bell and Hughes, why not Hamilton if a deal is reasonable for them? That means they are looking for a back up shooting guard.
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3 way sir.

Portland
Detroit
Lakers

Players invloved. Rip, Tay, Bayless, Pryz, Bynum, Walton

Lakers Get Rip, Pryz

Portland gets Tay Walton Wilcox

Detroit gets Bynum and Bayless.

This trade works for every body. Though salaries need to be adjusted to make it work.

But still I kick ass.
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If the lakes were thinking about getting a return of Bosh for Bynum, I doubt they'd bite on that offer. They probably still want more or would be just as happy seeing if he can finally stay healthy for a year. If he can, there's no reason he can't be a 15/10/2 center.
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No, that's for real rumors.
Since there are no real Pistons trade rumors, it is filled with fake ones.
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To all the people that want to trade Rip for an expiring contract...when we don't sign anyone of consequence with the cap space...DON'T complain.
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That's why I at least included Lawson in that 3 way. I don't like a straight up salary dump.
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I propose trading Monroe's straight toes for some toes that are nicely stepped downwards, from the big toe.
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While I'm not super high on lawson, if we can clear rip's contract and get a young rotation player, that is a good plan.
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To all the people that want to trade Rip for an expiring contract...when we don't sign anyone of consequence with the cap space...DON'T complain.
If we don't sign anyone, I won't complain. The logjam must be fixed and if it can't be done with a good player coming our way it doesn't matter. It has to be done.
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I'd trade Rip for cap space and a first round pick. I would hope it doesn't come to that, but that extension is just a killer. Absolutely agree with Hobbs that for this team to move forward, they need to clear out the logjam and get pieces that fit together.
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I'd trade midget gunner Gordon for a promising big.
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I'd trade Rip for cap space and a first round pick. I would hope it doesn't come to that, but that extension is just a killer. Absolutely agree with Hobbs that for this team to move forward, they need to clear out the logjam and get pieces that fit together.
I agree as well. Every minute we give to Rip is time that ultimately is taken away from our young future core players -- players that, IMO, are ready to play well right now.

Here is my prediction of minutes with the likely roster being healthy:
Stuckey 35
Gordon 30
Rip 30
Bynum 15
Tay 30
Jerebko 25
Ben/Wilcox 30
Villa 22
Maxiell 13
Daye 10
Monroe 10


Here is the same roster removing Rip:
Stuckey 35
Gordon 35
Bynum 15
Tay 30
Jerebko 30
Ben/Wilcox 30
Villa 25
Maxiell 15
Daye 20
Monroe 15


I think both these teams win a similar number of games, but the second group makes much more progress towards the development of our future core AND there is better chemistry as fewer good players are competing for the PT.
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Either Rip or BG is fine with me. If Gordon gets you more value then let him be the guy. Other than a good October/early November and April(when we didn't need it), he didn't do much at all. December was okay and Jan.-March were putrid. He averaged under 10 ppg and shot well under 40%.

A big time shooter that only shot 42% for the season from the field and 32% from 3.

I know he was injured and maybe that's why he didn't do much for the first 34 games he was back but I also haven't grown attached to him.
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I think Monroe gets 25-35 minutes regardless of whether or not we keep Rip. Wilcox will not factor unless somebody gets hurt or Ben needs days off to rest.
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And he still had a better year than Rip. Look at Rip's games played the last few seasons. Notice a pattern? I do. Rip must be moved.
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I agree as well. Every minute we give to Rip is time that ultimately is taken away from our young future core players -- players that, IMO, are ready to play well right now.

Here is my prediction of minutes with the likely roster being healthy:
Stuckey 35
Gordon 30
Rip 30
Bynum 15
Tay 30
Jerebko 25
Ben/Wilcox 30
Villa 22
Maxiell 13
Daye 10
Monroe 10


Here is the same roster removing Rip:
Stuckey 35
Gordon 35
Bynum 15
Tay 30
Jerebko 30
Ben/Wilcox 30
Villa 25
Maxiell 15
Daye 20
Monroe 15


I think both these teams win a similar number of games, but the second group makes much more progress towards the development of our future core AND there is better chemistry as fewer good players are competing for the PT.

Monroe gets more minutes because Rip is traded? I guess you are speculating that Daye will be getting minutes as our 4th or 5th SG.

I think Monroe will be starting anyway. I don't see Rip going giving any extra burn to Monroe.
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