[B.I.G.]

I couldn't resist. Monroe DNP. Cousins so far 9pts 6rbs and 21 minutes.

[B.I.G.]

Cousins also have 3 assist so far...smh

[Dave Bing]

What is the point of this thread? Did we pass on Cousins and I missed it? We were lucky that Greg fell to seven. Cousins was not an option.

[Forsh]

Originally Posted by Dave Bing

What is the point of this thread? Did we pass on Cousins and I missed it? We were lucky that Greg fell to seven. Cousins was not an option.

WERE WE lucky???

[B.I.G.]

HA. he said we was LUCKY to get Monroe.....He can't even get off the bench..LOL!!!!!!

[King Mob]

Possibly the most pointless thread ever. Why not Monroe v. Wall or Monroe v. Chamberlain while you're in threadmaker mode?

[hack]

No, we all knew this thread was going to happen. We will fill it with posts.

[whoDean]

Dumars might have held back on pursuing Cousins because he is in love with Prince, so it is quite understandable to compare our gimp with Cousins.

[King Mob]

It's not understandable in light of the fact that you don't know if that's actually true or not.

[B.I.G.]

Dumars could have had Cousins for Tayshaun and the number 7th pick. He had a private workout with the Pistons and Cousins WANTED to be a piston but the great Joe Dumars is so Obessed with Prince all-star potential and Monroe's (who did not play) potential athletic ability that he refused to make a deal. It could have been because Sacramento didn't include a box of Krispy Kreme donuts in the trade...we would never know.

Cousins BTW 27mins 14pts 8rebs and 5 assist.
Monroe DNP and he wasn't hurt.

[Mainevent]

Dumars could have had Cousins for Tayshaun and the number 7th pick.

Weak rumors are now fact?

I for one think Sac saw exactly what we all saw, Cousins is a true low post big man with skills you don't find in centers these days and they weren't trading the pick for cap relief and an inferior prospect.

[Mel Kiper Jr]

We need a thread titled "Wall or Monroe?", then inside the thread it can be discussed how Joe should have ordered the team to tank towards the end of the season to get the 1st overall pick.

[Mel Kiper Jr]

Perhaps not playing Monroe is a sign that Dumars is delusional about or chances to compete. That may logic out to not trading Prince.

Also, interesting that Rip and Prince weren't on that big banner hung on the Palace.

I don't know if I believe that Sac would have traded Cousins. This is akin to the rumors were Boozer was offerred to us and we passed. Also that we could have had Tyson Chandler in a sign-and-trade.

You never know what to believe...

[Mainevent]

Perhaps not playing Monroe is a sign that Dumars is delusional about or chances to compete. That may logic out to not trading Prince.

I think it's been pretty apparent all offseason. Why else do you sign McGrady?

[Mel Kiper Jr]

On paper, we do have a lot of guys that should be scorers, but they play the same position. If Dumars thinks we can compete...he has turned us into the Knicks from 2 years ago.

[ThaMaestro]

Originally Posted by Mel Kiper Jr

Also, interesting that Rip and Prince weren't on that big banner hung on the Palace.

I noticed that too and thought it was interesting. Ben Wallace, Gordon, and Stuckey then Joe and Isiah? I thought Joe and Isiah was a little odd too, but I guess when you don't have any current stars you have to go to the past.



DETermination

[Billl]

It's probably that rip and prince are just too tall to make the all 6 foot team.

[King Mob]

Who needs size when you've got heart?

[ThaMaestro]

Heart and DETermination!

[Mel Kiper Jr]

Well...Daye starting at PF takes a lot of Monroe's minutes, so trading Prince would be a possible solution.

It would mean saying bye to our title hopes this year though.

[Mel Kiper Jr]

Should someone start a thread called "Countdown until the Pistons sign Darius Miles"?

[El Axe]

BTW, yesterday on talk radio, Mike Valenti & Terry Foster both agreed that there were a number of stories they knew about where Joe had lined up deals that had been turned down because of the ownership situation. They didn't have enough verification to report them, but they expressed this like it was known fact.

[B.I.G.]

Posted October 28, 2010 - 9:47 a.m.

You have to wonder if rookie Greg Monroe will measure up

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By Vince Ellis
Free Press Sports Writer
NEW YORK - As usual when flying out of the Big Apple, the flight is delayed. So I figured now would be a good time to check in with the biggest development from Wednesday night.

As you know, the Pistons dropped the season opener to the Nets by blowing a seven-point lead in the last 1:40 to fall, 101-98.

Tough loss, but not exactly unexpected since it was a road game and the Nets were energized by playing the first game at the Prudential. And they will be much improved under first-year coach Avery Johnson.

But with the Pistons struggling with the size of Brook Lopez and Derrick Favors for much of the evening, the team's biggest player didn't touch the floor.

Pistons first-round pick Greg Monroe got a DNP-coach's decision, and it wasn't shocking for those who have been paying attention. From Pistons coach John Kuester's comments saying Monroe has to improve his motor, you could tell moments like Wednesday night would occur.

A fellow scribe overheard Kuester imploring Monroe to run harder in the team's last preseason game.

You have to wonder if Monroe will ever meet Kuester's demands because it's highly unlikely the skilled but laidback rookie from Georgetown will ever be described as high-energy.
It's obviously a situation that bears watching.

[Mel Kiper Jr]

Well a coach should be tough on a rookie, but that's valid.

[whoDean]

Yep, if Monroe isn't hustling he doesn't deserve PT, I don't blame coach for that and it will most likely teach him good habits that will pay off in the long run for the team.

I suspect he will see some PT in the second game.

[B.I.G.]

Cousin is already tough. Monroe looks like he don't care.

[Lou Stefanic]

I don't blame the coach for not playing a guy who's not going to run.

A better comparison for this thread might be "Monroe vs. Aldrich." Cole was the next big taken, I believe.

[joe servo]

Unfortunately, Monroe IS going all out. There was a reason he had that unathletic tag comin' out of school, ya know...

[Stefan S]

"Yep, if Monroe isn't hustling he doesn't deserve PT" -- exactly!

This is why Curry was such a waste and a terrible coach. He played guys who did not bring it. And that's why, at least about this thing, Q is an improvement.

[DYNOMITE]

Not when he allows Rip and Prince to walk up the floor.

[ghandi]

I'm not sure if he's an improvement at all.....He strikes me as another I'll play the vets at all costs to the detriment of ever developing young players.......The Pistons will go nowhere with this philosophy and this current roster.....Yeah if youre the Celtics, Heat, or Magic yo ucan take that approach, but when youre team is bottom 5 awful you get rid of aging vets and develop your young players......Sitting Monroe and playing guys that wont even be here next year does us no good at all.....They need to quit acting like this team is a championship contender and starting building for the future.....If this continues throughout the season then Monroe may very well be Dumars' last first round draft pick.....He's already ofer on top 10 picks one more and a bad season to boot could be it for him.

[Mainevent]

Not when he allows Rip and Prince to walk up the floor.

Exactly. If they are walking the ball up under his direction, then WTF because they don't have a halfcourt team. If those guys are walking it up because they want to, then obviously the coach doesn't have everybody on the same page.

[GC_STONES]

This coach should be canned - bring in Laimbeer.

[Stefan S]

I response to my clasim that Q is a much better coach than Curry

Originally Posted by DYNOMITE

Not when he allows Rip and Prince to walk up the floor.

It depends.

First, it may be a managerial decision. Say, Joe told Q to play them no matter what because they are featured before the trade.

Also, it could be our team still looks for identity -- are we going to be an uptempo team (my pref with this personel)? Are we trying to control the tempo and grind? I do not knwo the team knows yey what they try to be.

By the way, tehre is no comparison betwenn Rip and tay, on one hand, and Iverson on the other. R/T make mistakes, which is human. Iverson was a cancer.

[fredsue]

Should be Monroe vs Aldrich

[Whiteman]

I'd love Laimbeer here. He would kick ass

[fredsue]

and he did not play either...or maybe Davis, or Sanders, or even Patterson...you know guys we passed over for him...I think one of them have played 4 minutes so far this season...

[B.I.G.]

Can I edit this or someone change this to Monroe vs Aldrich? But I don't remember anyone here being so hot on Aldrich? But he is also better than Monroe. I just don't see this guy being no more than a poor man's Nazr Mohammad.

[GC_STONES]

Originally Posted by B.I.G.

Can I edit this or someone change this to Monroe vs Aldrich? But I don't remember anyone here being so hot on Aldrich? But he is also better than Monroe. I just don't see this guy being no more than a poor man's Nazr Mohammad.

Ya nobody here was hot on Cole at all - what a stiff that guy is, greg ostertag 2.0 with 4 inch heels on. what idiot would want to take him #7 overall?!?!

[joe servo]

I was in the Aldrich camp until he measured out at 6'9. Still remains to be seen if he's a piece of garbage like Monroe or not, though.

[B.I.G.]

Yeah only a fool would pick Aldrich at 7 but I wouldn't mind Dumars trading down it get multiple picks. I just don't see Monroe doing anything. He didn't impress me in the summer league or pre season. He looks slow and confused. No wonder the Warriors was not impressed with him.

[Big Jerm]

Originally Posted by B.I.G.

Can I edit this or someone change this to Monroe vs Aldrich? But I don't remember anyone here being so hot on Aldrich? But he is also better than Monroe. I just don't see this guy being no more than a poor man's Nazr Mohammad.

Yeah, because Nazr had great hands, great passing ability, and a nice shooting touch out to 20 feet. Sounds like they're exactly alike, but with Monroe being the "poor man's" version. Think you're exaggerating, maybe just a little?

[King Mob]

No, summer league, preseason and the first game of a player's career is way more than enough evidence to determine whether a player is a complete bust or a hall of famer. If a lottery pick can't start for his team immediately then he's a bum, indisputably.

[Forsh]

Originally Posted by Lou Stefanic

I don't blame the coach for not playing a guy who's not going to run.

A better comparison for this thread might be "Monroe vs. Aldrich." Cole was the next big taken, I believe.

I would have taken Cole over Monroe ... although it's possible Monroe ends up with better career numbers (while his check's numbers are even higher).

I think the big shame-on-Joe move was drafting Monroe without a workout. I mean, Joe was even quoted post-draft as saying he wasn't worried about Monroe's toughness basically because "his college coach told me he was tough". Oh, really now???

[Kstat]

I think half the NBA was drafted without a workout session. Joe Dumars himself did not work out with the pistons prior to the 1985 draft.

Jerry West had the opportunity to work out Kobe Bryant and declined. He said it was pointless.

[Mainevent]

But how do we know how many pushups he can do?

I find it a bit odd that they didn't bring him in given that there were pretty good odds that he was going to be there when they picked, , but it doesn't really mean much. The top guys are scouted intensively.

[joe servo]

Apparently it means a ton. Perhaps we could've seen how unathletic and how much of a slacker-ass he is in person?

[Mel Kiper Jr]

In hindsight, I think that Joe should have traded up and taken Lebron James instead of Darko. But, had that happened, we wouldn't have got Rodney Stuckey and we would possibly be in the lottery now.

[diecast75]

hahahaha love how some of you guys have given up on monroe 1 game in...and he has not even played a miniute yet....

[B.I.G.]

I can just tell by his body language that he sucks. If he's any good I'll be the first to apologize...to me he's not that good and I blame Charlie V for hitting those fade away three pointers and hitting them against the T wolves last year is why we fell to #7.