From Stack Vs Rip to Rip VS BG to BG vs Stuckey Yet TMAC comes out of nowhere to stay

Whiteman · 02-01-2011, 06:27 PM

Well sooner or later were gonna have another huge question mark or may have one now for this franchise. BG as you can see when he starts, he plays amazing yet his defense is hard for us to hide. Stuck plays great in the first half and plays much better defense but isn’t as deadly and cant spread the floor like BG can. If we could somehow splice them together, we’d have the total package at shooting guard. A few coaches in the league start different lineups based on match ups. Is that something we have to do? Plus and then theres TMAC!
But with free agency coming up soon…. What gives? Time for a debate. Go!

Orwellian O. · 02-01-2011, 06:47 PM

I like Stuckey and Tmac....Gordon can go kick rocks with Rip...

But mostly, I would like the team to keep all 3 and find a superstar SF or big man.

tin mad dog · 02-01-2011, 06:58 PM

Ben hasn't really been "amazing" when he starts. He had a very good scoring game versus the Knicks and a good game against Denver but his 3 previous starts he scored 5 points, 7 points and 5 points and shot a cumulative 24% in those games.

I'd say the jury is still out as for whether he's at his best as a starter or as a 6th man.

tin mad dog · 02-01-2011, 07:07 PM

Wrong thread.

Orwellian O. · 02-01-2011, 07:13 PM

too slow!

tin mad dog · 02-01-2011, 07:18 PM

When I wrote it, it was there.

Whiteman · 02-01-2011, 07:19 PM

Yeah but from what I recall in those starts where he didnt play well, Rip still basically got all the mintues. Now with no rip and no threat of losing minutes with Stuck out too, look at his play.

tin mad dog · 02-01-2011, 08:05 PM

I'll be looking. He's played 2 teams not really known for D (although Denver has improved) so we shall see. My impression of him in Pistonland is that he's a streaky shooter. When he's on, keep feeding him and he'll have a huge night. When he's off, he brings almost nothing to the table. Too small to cover a lot of 2's and either too slow or just doesn't have the instincts to cover PG's.

Too me, he's a great 6th man but he's on a team chocked full of 6th men.

Stefan S · 02-01-2011, 08:10 PM

Also, the 6th man for 10 mills seems excessive.

Dave Bing · 02-01-2011, 09:30 PM

Depends on the sixth man. Kevin McHale was worth it.

Money23 · 02-02-2011, 03:15 AM

Bet he still has post game, too, with those long, gangly arms.

Dave Bing · 02-02-2011, 03:18 AM

You seen him lately? He got old.

Money23 · 02-02-2011, 04:02 AM

LOL, yeah. Was just watching a repeat of the Lakers/Rockets game on NBATV. He, Ernie Johnson and Webber have such a nice chemistry that I almost forgot to hate him for a few minutes.

Still bet he could post up and drop a bucket once a game on some young buck, though. Give him 1 minute per game.

Dave Bing · 02-02-2011, 04:09 AM

I wouldn't bet against him either. Little step-back fade or drop step. He would be good for a bucket.

Money23 · 02-02-2011, 04:10 AM

Yep. just monitor his seconds from game to game.

whoDean · 02-02-2011, 08:26 AM

McHale will be able to head fake his defender and take him up and under when he's 80.

tin mad dog · 02-03-2011, 01:20 AM

Now 5-7 without Rip, 0-3 without Stux, 0-3 with Ben Gordon as a starter in this stretch....however you want to spin it.

6-9 without Rip on the season.

17-32 without Terrico White!

Money23 · 02-04-2011, 12:46 AM

Still, pretty much all the numbers are better without Rip, all across the board.

detroitsportsfan · 02-04-2011, 01:25 AM

Terrico White...the forgotten man. Never hear nothing about him. Is he still part of the future plans???

Money23 · 02-04-2011, 01:36 AM

Most recently I heard that he's heading to the D-League.

detroitsportsfan · 02-04-2011, 11:23 AM

I hope he does get some playing time in the D-League. I'd like to see what we got with him before we toss him aside. If he's a bonafide NBA player, maybe he could make Will Bynum expendable (or at least allow us more trade options with our surplus of guards).

ghandi · 02-04-2011, 12:17 PM

Really the guard situation is kind of a mess too.....

Stuckey--Free agent after this year, better at teh off guard than the point...DO we really want to give him big money??

Gordon--Streaky shooter, not known for playing very good defense, too small for a 2 and too slow for a 1.

Rip--Has pretty much tanked and has to be moved or released at this point...

Bynum--ANother poor defender, can be good in spurts, a mediocre back up

TMac--Has played pretty well and stayed healthier than most of us thought he would....Still a free agent at the end of the year, has played 14 years in the league, and just how much does he have left in the tank?? Would probably be better if we just moved him and got something for him and moved on.

We could probably live with a Stuckey/Gordon combo at the 2, but I sure wouldnt want to keep Stuckey if he wants like 10 million a year...He just isnt that good, especially since he doesnt play the point all that well.....Joe needs to find a point guard, plain and simple.

DYNOMITE · 02-04-2011, 12:54 PM

I'm calling it now. Terrico White is our shooting guard of the future.

Lou Stefanic · 02-04-2011, 01:47 PM

I think he's gonna be a more athletic version of Gary Payton.

EJV · 02-04-2011, 02:39 PM

He is going to have the same sort of Freshman & Sophomore years as Blake Griffen.

sam dav · 02-04-2011, 04:53 PM

Is Terrico not injured anymore?

tin mad dog · 02-04-2011, 05:59 PM

Terrico is supposed to be slowly getting back to playing.

Kstat · 02-04-2011, 06:39 PM

We need more depth at the SG position.

No seriously, we actually do....

Stefan S · 02-04-2011, 06:44 PM

I though we think about Terrico as a potential starting PG.
That's why the comparison to Glove is totally apt.

Kstat · 02-04-2011, 06:48 PM

He's a natural SG, but yeah I think we took him because he was easily the most athletic player left, on the off-chance he could develop as a PG.

Who the hell compared him to Gary Payton? I don't see any similarities, on either end of the floor.

Stefan S · 02-04-2011, 07:13 PM

Lou did.

tin mad dog · 02-04-2011, 07:15 PM

They're both around the same height. I guess that's enough these days.

Money23 · 02-05-2011, 03:06 AM

I thought he was being facetious.

Lou Stefanic · 02-05-2011, 01:19 PM

Ryan once compared him to Gary Payton, I thought. I was doing a call back to that, although maybe I was thinking of someone else.

Lou Stefanic · 02-05-2011, 01:22 PM

Nope:

http://detroitpistonsforum.com/forum...-post3495.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inbetweengame

I am holding out hope for Terrico White's development as a more athletic Gary Payton. Hopefully we hire Gary Payton to work with him.

hack · 02-05-2011, 03:19 PM

Are you saying we SHOULDN'T hire Gary Payton as a special assistant to work with White?

Lou Stefanic · 02-05-2011, 04:08 PM

Well, if he's not too busy turning 2010 54th pick Willie Warren into the next Gary Payton, we should definitely hire him to work with White.

Completely unrelated, but is there anyway we can get Hakeem to work with Greg Monroe?

Lou Stefanic · 02-05-2011, 04:18 PM

In all fairness to Ryan, I am actually interested to see what White can do. Everybody talks about his athleticism, but from what I've read/seen, he's got a great wingspan (6'9" I believe?) and big hands. In the draft, he was pretty much in the best shape out of all available players, so that is a good sign for both his athleticism on the court and also his work ethic.

The question, obviously, is whether he has a respectable jumpshot, as that'll make him a really difficult player to defend if so. His defense will probably be shaky out of the gate (as with any rookie), but if he's as athletic as described, that may be less of a concern.

tin mad dog · 02-05-2011, 05:29 PM

I think I'd enjoy seeing if Terrico could take Bynum's minutes.

Kstat · 02-05-2011, 05:30 PM

I'd enjoy seeing it if they picked random fans out of the stands to take Bynum's minutes.

Statman Crothers · 02-05-2011, 05:39 PM

Bynum is a guy that prefers to shoot first and second and when he passes he does not often do it accurately.

I recall the last time we played the New Jersey Nets and he attempted to make an alley oop pass but instead the ball went in. That is probably why his field goal percentage was .457 for the month of January. LOL.

Money23 · 02-06-2011, 02:53 PM

Bynum is fine for 5 minute bursts. It's when he's relied on for extended minutes that gets him in trouble.

detroitsportsfan · 02-06-2011, 04:33 PM

Sounds a lot like Lindsey Hunter.

Stefan S · 02-06-2011, 05:08 PM

Not even close.
LH was there stricktly for D purposes. He was consistent, too.
You always knew what you were going to get
(= not much offensively but surely some serious disruption of their sets).

detroitsportsfan · 02-06-2011, 08:24 PM

Again, Hunter was good for short spurts. Put him in there for extended minutes and you're asking for trouble. Bynum is the same in that regard. Both can be game changers (impact players) in short stints but can hurt the team with some boneheaded plays in extended minutes.

hack · 02-06-2011, 09:20 PM

Well that's progress at least.

Stefan S · 02-06-2011, 10:28 PM

Well, Hunter gave us 15 on the championship team
when he was younger he was good for 25

I wish Will was equally consistent

on the flip side, he has an ability to win a game for you
I doubt Hunter was ever able to do it

hack · 02-06-2011, 10:44 PM

Well there's no comparing the two in terms of being good at what they do -- Hunter was bankable to trigger a defense/hustle-based run. He came in and got everybody hustling. The last time our team truly locked down and choked the lift out of another team was the 06 Game 7 vs. the Cavs. A tight game near the end of the third. Hunter came in, got a coupla steals that lead to a few fast-break buckets, everybody else tightened up and the game was over with about 8 to go in the fourth. Standing ovation to end the game. That was the last time IMO that we saw the Ben-era Pistons we knew and loved. They didn't show at all in that ECF until it was too late and they got that last-stand win in the Game 5. Man, I hope those players understand how many good times they left on the table!

Anyways, Bynum has no business being mentioned in the same sentence as Hunter, but I do agree that Hunter was never gonna explode in a quarter like Bynum can.

DYNOMITE · 02-06-2011, 11:08 PM

I always thought Hunter had a low basketball IQ. But I always thought he over-achieved. He maxed out his ability with hard work and hustle. A fun player to cheer for.

hack · 02-06-2011, 11:15 PM

Seems to me that he suffered from outsized expectations and as a result probably didn't max out on his ability. He didn't have to suddenly suck from 3 later in his career. But yeah -- totally a fun player to cheer for. Loved what he did in that era.

02-01-2011, 06:27 PM	#1
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	From Stack Vs Rip to Rip VS BG to BG vs Stuckey Yet TMAC comes out of nowhere to stay Well sooner or later were gonna have another huge question mark or may have one now for this franchise. BG as you can see when he starts, he plays amazing yet his defense is hard for us to hide. Stuck plays great in the first half and plays much better defense but isn’t as deadly and cant spread the floor like BG can. If we could somehow splice them together, we’d have the total package at shooting guard. A few coaches in the league start different lineups based on match ups. Is that something we have to do? Plus and then theres TMAC! But with free agency coming up soon…. What gives? Time for a debate. Go!

02-01-2011, 06:58 PM	#3
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Ben hasn't really been "amazing" when he starts. He had a very good scoring game versus the Knicks and a good game against Denver but his 3 previous starts he scored 5 points, 7 points and 5 points and shot a cumulative 24% in those games. I'd say the jury is still out as for whether he's at his best as a starter or as a 6th man. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

02-01-2011, 07:07 PM	#4
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Wrong thread. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

02-01-2011, 07:18 PM	#6
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	When I wrote it, it was there. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

02-01-2011, 08:05 PM	#8
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	I'll be looking. He's played 2 teams not really known for D (although Denver has improved) so we shall see. My impression of him in Pistonland is that he's a streaky shooter. When he's on, keep feeding him and he'll have a huge night. When he's off, he brings almost nothing to the table. Too small to cover a lot of 2's and either too slow or just doesn't have the instincts to cover PG's. Too me, he's a great 6th man but he's on a team chocked full of 6th men. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

02-01-2011, 06:47 PM	#2
Orwellian O. Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,819 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I like Stuckey and Tmac....Gordon can go kick rocks with Rip... But mostly, I would like the team to keep all 3 and find a superstar SF or big man.

02-01-2011, 07:13 PM	#5
Orwellian O. Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,819 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	too slow!

02-01-2011, 07:19 PM	#7
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Yeah but from what I recall in those starts where he didnt play well, Rip still basically got all the mintues. Now with no rip and no threat of losing minutes with Stuck out too, look at his play.

02-01-2011, 08:10 PM	#9
Stefan S Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,259 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Also, the 6th man for 10 mills seems excessive.

02-01-2011, 09:30 PM	#10
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Depends on the sixth man. Kevin McHale was worth it.

02-02-2011, 03:15 AM	#11
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Bet he still has post game, too, with those long, gangly arms.

02-02-2011, 03:18 AM	#12
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	You seen him lately? He got old.

02-02-2011, 04:02 AM	#13
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	LOL, yeah. Was just watching a repeat of the Lakers/Rockets game on NBATV. He, Ernie Johnson and Webber have such a nice chemistry that I almost forgot to hate him for a few minutes. Still bet he could post up and drop a bucket once a game on some young buck, though. Give him 1 minute per game.

02-02-2011, 04:09 AM	#14
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	I wouldn't bet against him either. Little step-back fade or drop step. He would be good for a bucket.

02-02-2011, 04:10 AM	#15
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Yep. just monitor his seconds from game to game.

02-02-2011, 08:26 AM	#16
whoDean Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,955 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	McHale will be able to head fake his defender and take him up and under when he's 80.

02-03-2011, 01:20 AM	#17
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Now 5-7 without Rip, 0-3 without Stux, 0-3 with Ben Gordon as a starter in this stretch....however you want to spin it. 6-9 without Rip on the season. 17-32 without Terrico White! __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

02-04-2011, 12:46 AM	#18
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Still, pretty much all the numbers are better without Rip, all across the board.

02-04-2011, 01:25 AM	#19
detroitsportsfan Bench Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,511 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Terrico White...the forgotten man. Never hear nothing about him. Is he still part of the future plans???

02-04-2011, 01:36 AM	#20
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Most recently I heard that he's heading to the D-League.

02-04-2011, 11:23 AM	#21
detroitsportsfan Bench Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,511 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I hope he does get some playing time in the D-League. I'd like to see what we got with him before we toss him aside. If he's a bonafide NBA player, maybe he could make Will Bynum expendable (or at least allow us more trade options with our surplus of guards).

02-04-2011, 12:17 PM	#22
ghandi Water Boy Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 878 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Really the guard situation is kind of a mess too..... Stuckey--Free agent after this year, better at teh off guard than the point...DO we really want to give him big money?? Gordon--Streaky shooter, not known for playing very good defense, too small for a 2 and too slow for a 1. Rip--Has pretty much tanked and has to be moved or released at this point... Bynum--ANother poor defender, can be good in spurts, a mediocre back up TMac--Has played pretty well and stayed healthier than most of us thought he would....Still a free agent at the end of the year, has played 14 years in the league, and just how much does he have left in the tank?? Would probably be better if we just moved him and got something for him and moved on. We could probably live with a Stuckey/Gordon combo at the 2, but I sure wouldnt want to keep Stuckey if he wants like 10 million a year...He just isnt that good, especially since he doesnt play the point all that well.....Joe needs to find a point guard, plain and simple.

02-04-2011, 12:54 PM	#23
DYNOMITE Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,804 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	I'm calling it now. Terrico White is our shooting guard of the future.

02-04-2011, 01:47 PM	#24
Lou Stefanic Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,576 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	I think he's gonna be a more athletic version of Gary Payton.

02-04-2011, 02:39 PM	#25
EJV Water Boy Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 615 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	He is going to have the same sort of Freshman & Sophomore years as Blake Griffen.

02-04-2011, 04:53 PM	#26
sam dav Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 787 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Is Terrico not injured anymore?

02-04-2011, 05:59 PM	#27
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Terrico is supposed to be slowly getting back to playing. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

02-04-2011, 06:39 PM	#28
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	We need more depth at the SG position. No seriously, we actually do....

02-04-2011, 06:44 PM	#29
Stefan S Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,259 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I though we think about Terrico as a potential starting PG. That's why the comparison to Glove is totally apt.

02-04-2011, 06:48 PM	#30
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	He's a natural SG, but yeah I think we took him because he was easily the most athletic player left, on the off-chance he could develop as a PG. Who the hell compared him to Gary Payton? I don't see any similarities, on either end of the floor.

02-04-2011, 07:13 PM	#31
Stefan S Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,259 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Lou did.

02-04-2011, 07:15 PM	#32
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	They're both around the same height. I guess that's enough these days. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

02-05-2011, 03:06 AM	#33
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I thought he was being facetious.

02-05-2011, 01:19 PM	#34
Lou Stefanic Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,576 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Ryan once compared him to Gary Payton, I thought. I was doing a call back to that, although maybe I was thinking of someone else.

02-05-2011, 03:19 PM	#36
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Are you saying we SHOULDN'T hire Gary Payton as a special assistant to work with White?