Game 56: PISTONS vs. hawks- Make shots not love. - Page 2

Kstat · 02-15-2011, 08:46 AM

Well, what we need is a better defensive team.

You can win shooting jumpers. You cannot win if the other team is shooting %55 or better against you every night.

Obviously, PG is a big need. That's not the main culprit of our latest losing streak, though.

Billl · 02-15-2011, 09:08 AM

Almost everyone on the team is a scorer not a defender but we are #27 in scoring. That is nuts! Obviously our defense needs to improve to, but we aren't going to beat anyone unless we start running an actual offense. 1-on-1 doesn't even work for Lebron James. It sure as hell isn't going to work for stuckey or ben gordon.

Right now, the coach is thinking "we need to get some scorers on the floor or we will get blown out." What needs to happen is for us to start getting guys better looks within the flow of the offense so we can afford to sit scorers if they aren't playing defense. If you want to play more guys who are primarily defenders, then you need a way for them to be at least somewhat productive on the offensive end.

hack · 02-15-2011, 10:10 AM

You can win shooting jumpers.

That's what Flip Saunders thinks.

You cannot win if the other team is shooting %55 or better against you every night.

I wish Flip had known that when he was here.

Jeff Hause · 02-15-2011, 10:16 AM

Sigh...

We had a top-5 defense under Flip.

Who was supposed to be going to the hole, Rasheed? Who was scoring inside for Brown?

hack · 02-15-2011, 10:30 AM

Top 5? He inherited the best defense in the league! If it was 5th that's a pretty far slide from the top.

Jeff Hause · 02-15-2011, 10:43 AM

I just looked it up:

Our offensive fg percentage went from 41% in Larry's first year to 46% in Flip's last year.

Brown's team was 24th in scoring both years, but #1 in points allowed.
Flip's last year, the Pistons were 17th in scoring... and also #1 in points allowed.

Brown had the #2 defense his second year (points allowed).
Flip had the #2 and #3 defense in his first two years, and the #1 defense the third (points allowed).

Again, who was supposed to be going to the hole -- Rasheed? Who was scoring inside for Brown? (Nobody was scoring, if you look at the shooting percentage.)

Believe it or not, we had a very good team under Flip Saunders. We stink now.

hack · 02-15-2011, 10:54 AM

We did have a very good team under Flip. We had a GREAT team under LB. I don't need to look it up to know that LB = finals and/or championship, whereas Flip = ECF embarrassment.

Jeff Hause · 02-15-2011, 10:56 AM

Really? How did our "great" team lose to the Spurs?

Samuelson's right in his blog. We had the third best team of the decade, behind the Lakers and Spurs.

No shame in that. We were the least talented of those three teams, so it makes sense...

Stefan S · 02-15-2011, 11:02 AM

To be fair, with Ben Wallace we were great team. Without him, a very good team.

After Flip's 1s year job (and unfortunately loosing some wits and composure at the end of the season and then the first slump in ECFinals), Wallace left for Chicago. Probably, at this moment we did not have enough to go all the way.
With Ben, maybe we had. The rift between Ben and Flip might have costed us another chance or two.

Jeff Hause · 02-15-2011, 11:06 AM

(We were headed there with Larry, too. That's why he was looking into other coaching jobs.)

And it it cost Ben his reputation. From a 4-time DPOY, All-NBA center to Bulls backup...

Stefan S · 02-15-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Hause

Really? How did our "great" team lose to the Spurs?

One of our great defenders (and, at the same time, one of the greatest head cases of all time) left open one of the greatest clutch shooters of all time.

Also, one of the most whining coaches in the history of a game decided to put a skinny SF on one of the greatest big men of all time. This, after playing extensively and wearing down all of our rotation players and then back-stubbing our team when it really counted.

Jeff Hause · 02-15-2011, 11:09 AM

We were the most consistent team of the decade, anyway. The Lakers, Spurs, Celtics, Heat, etc, couldn't stay in the top-4 every year like the Pistons. We were top-4 from Carlisle through Flip...

Stefan S · 02-15-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Hause

(We were headed there with Larry, too. That's why he was looking into other coaching jobs.)

That's an interesting idea. I did not think about it. I was thinking it was more his nomadic nature and impatience.

So, freakin' back stabber sensed the ship sailed as far as it could and was ready to jump. What a rat!

Jeff Hause · 02-15-2011, 11:13 AM

Now we're pretty consistent, too--but in terms of losing instead of winning...

hack · 02-15-2011, 11:19 AM

Not a new suggestion that LB would rather work the lottery teams into playoff teams than deal with the pressure of the Finals.

Agreed on Ben's reputation. Flip should at least offer to take a few sucker punches as compensation. But, srsly, Ben did that to himself. They all succumbed to the hubris.

Jeff Hause · 02-15-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan S

To be fair, with Ben Wallace we were great team. Without him, a very good team.

Great? The Bad Boys were great. They would have destroyed that team.

Some of it was we were right place/right time. The Lakers were fat cats, trying to sneak one more title in by signing 40-year-old Karl Malone (who couldn't play in the Finals) at PF and 36-year-old Gary Payton at PG. Plus Shaq was in a dispute with Buss, and Kobe and Phil weren't talking.

Jeff Hause · 02-15-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hack

Not a new suggestion that LB would rather work the lottery teams into playoff teams than deal with the pressure of the Finals.

Which is exactly what he's doing in New York... Oops, I mean Charlotte... Oops, I mean...

Jeff Hause · 02-15-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hack

...But, srsly, Ben did that to himself. They all succumbed to the hubris.

The league changed, too. If Ben played as physically today as he did 5 years ago he'd foul out of every game...

Jeff Hause · 02-15-2011, 12:14 PM

Hadn't seen this after the Portland game -- apparently Kuester's even fighting with the coaching staff:

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Harsh words follow tough Pistons loss

Another night, another round of drama for the Pistons.

A season in which coach John Kuester has had public dustups with Tayshaun Prince and Rodney Stuckey, and a Kuester-Rip Hamilton saga that has kept a popular player on the bench, added another chapter Sunday night.

Kuester had words with Stuckey once again and with Pistons assistant Darrell Walker. The fireworks started with 54.2 seconds left in the 105-100 home loss to Portland.

The second unit had excelled most of the fourth quarter in getting the Pistons back in the game, and Kuester turned to Stuckey to go in for Will Bynum as a defensive replacement. Stuckey had sat the entire quarter, and Walker was heard criticizing the decision to remove Bynum.

Seconds later, Bynum was back in, and Stuckey was back on the bench.

The frustration of the evening flowed over into the postgame. The Free Press reported late Sunday night that Walker and Kuester were overheard in a heated exchange in the coaches' office, with Walker objecting to how he was being treated. Stuckey and Kuester had words when the coach met with the players about being ready to play no matter how long they've sat or what the circumstances were.

Kuester said before Monday's game against the Hawks that things can get heated in the NBA, and he has no problem with anyone. "This game's very emotional and passionate," he said. "Like I said before, it's guys trying to win."

CONFUSION: The Pistons admitted to confusion trying to guard the pick-and-roll against the Blazers. Forward LaMarcus Aldridge took advantage and scored 36 points. Kuester said Charlie Villanueva and Chris Wilcox didn't execute the defense properly -- particularly Wilcox, who trapped point guard Andre Miller instead of sticking to Aldridge.

Harsh words follow tough Pistons loss | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

Whiteman · 02-15-2011, 12:40 PM

I really dont see any reason for sticking with this coach. We all know how bad our roster is, but his game management is the complete worst I have ever seen. A team goes on a 8-0 run "nah I'll call a time out when its a 12-0 run". Joe has had to bad hires that last to tenures and his roster is horrible as well.

Statman Crothers · 02-15-2011, 12:59 PM

I would like to see Assistant Coach Darrell Walker punch Head Coach Quitter Kuester in his quitting face.

Statman Crothers · 02-15-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Whiteman

I really dont see any reason for sticking with this coach. We all know how bad our roster is, but his game management is the complete worst I have ever seen. A team goes on a 8-0 run "nah I'll call a time out when its a 12-0 run". Joe has had to bad hires that last to tenures and his roster is horrible as well.

The only coach who seems to get away with this and have it work out is Coach Phil Jackson. He has won 11 titles as a Head Coach in the NBA. Coach Quitter has trouble winning 11 games in a month.

King Mob · 02-15-2011, 01:06 PM

Always having at least one if not more of the top 50 players of All Time on his team played a part in Jackson's success, if I may be so bold.

King Mob · 02-15-2011, 01:09 PM

I agree with Billl, PG is our biggest need. Being 27th in scoring when our defense is so bad - meaning more possessions on O - is ridiculous.

Statman Crothers · 02-15-2011, 01:11 PM

That is true. Phil Jackson has always had one or two or three of the creme of the crop. I think even when he won his title with the Albany Patroons in 1984 he had a Continental Basketball Association all timer. LOL!

I am kidding. I do not have a stat on who was on that team nor do I really care about that one.

Statman Crothers · 02-15-2011, 01:13 PM

That said Coach Phil Jackson does seem to make his players play better and I do not think I have ever seen him quit. I have seen John Kuester quit. I saw it last night.

hack · 02-15-2011, 02:50 PM

The 2004 Finals was a great example of a coach and team quitting en masse. By Game 4 Derek Fisher was pretty much the only guy trying.

Detroit Playa · 02-15-2011, 04:48 PM

someone needs to do something about brian hill

Orwellian O. · 02-16-2011, 12:40 AM

HA!!!

tin mad dog · 02-16-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hack

The 2004 Finals was a great example of a coach and team quitting en masse. By Game 4 Derek Fisher was pretty much the only guy trying.

Shaq played well that series too..... and Slava Medvedenko was working his ass off in Game 5!

hack · 02-16-2011, 11:32 AM

Shaq played well but his point and rebound averages in that series were far short of his career Finals averages. Part of that was Big Ben's doing, but also it was Kobe ballhogging and a general breakdown in optimism on that team. I remember Fisher giving an interview basically accusing the rest of the team of quitting.

tin mad dog · 02-16-2011, 12:02 PM

Bringing Bitch Tits Fisher back to LA to act as a buffer between The Xerox and the rest of the team was an underrated key to the lakes winning titles again.

hack · 02-16-2011, 01:36 PM

He will be well remembered as a player and that's deserving. He grew up as a player with significant dysfunction around him on the Lakers and yet matured into exactly the kind of role player a contender needs.

tin mad dog · 02-16-2011, 03:06 PM

I liked him as a rookie and then hated him for all of his flopping and occasional dirty play (ask Scola) but I bet he's really a quality individual.

He really doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Antoine Walker with that nickname but some things are hard to give up.

hack · 02-16-2011, 03:09 PM

I don't hate those guys. We typically love that behavior from our own (Laimbeer), so why not respect that sort of effort? The guys I don't like are the unskilled ones like Varejao -- not that I wouldn't mind having him, but he gives up as many points as he prevents because he doesn't really have a feel for when to pull what trick. But the plays he does make are big-momentum plays...

tin mad dog · 02-16-2011, 03:12 PM

I'm not sure if I ever "Loved" Lambs. He was our guy, for sure, but love? Maybe.

I have a feeling I would probably not like him if we met in person, though. I mean, he's a fucking Domer after all.

hack · 02-16-2011, 03:17 PM

I don't want to meet anyone in person except maybe Sheed, cause he's just so interesting and he probably has some serious medical-grade mary jane to help aid in the bullshitting process. But I definitely LOVED Laimbeer, in the way it is possible to love an awkward, tip-toe running goofy oaf. Loved Mahorn too, in the way it is possible to love a very large man for his ass and how he uses it. I've always liked basketball when the big men make it incredibly hard to score, and those guys are probably why. The famous Bird/Nique shootout was definitely exciting at the time, for example, but watching it now it looks like a game of horse for all the defense on display.

tin mad dog · 02-16-2011, 03:34 PM

Oh, Mahorn was one of my favorites.

He might be the best guy of the Bad Boys to actually meet or the guy I think who would be the coolest in person. I guess I've "met" Rodman but that was only in the context of him being a customer at one of the clubs I worked at and me telling him that he'd cleaned us out of all of our non-alcoholic beer. The other times I've seen him in person I didn't talk to him.

Lambs just came off like an arrogant rich kid that wound up playing basketball. Still, he milked it for all it was worth and he did care about winning.

hack · 02-16-2011, 04:18 PM

I love the story of him drinking the bar dry of O'Douls, or whatever it was.

IMO being a jerk is an outgrowth of getting rich and famous. Too many people want to give you whatever you want and it's hard to stay humble or normal. I don't want to pull back the curtain on any of these guys, save for a select few who might be interesting. Sheed's on that list for sure. Shaq would probably be a fucking blast.

Jeff Hause · 02-16-2011, 04:27 PM

It's a relief. I saw him in a bar in Venice, CA, about 6 or 7 years ago and he was INCREDIBLY wasted...

hack · 02-16-2011, 04:33 PM

who????

Jeff Hause · 02-16-2011, 04:35 PM

Rodman. It was doubly pathetic because I'd read a story in the paper that he had just been in trouble in Vegas for public drunkenness. Hopefully he's got his life back together...

tin mad dog · 02-16-2011, 05:55 PM

It sounds like the trip to my club came shortly after that. He was on the wagon that night.

In fairness, it's not like we had a ton of non-alcoholic beer available. Maybe 8 bottles in the whole club or something like that. It wasn't O'Doul's. I forget what it was but it had a fancier name. Maybe Kaliber?

We didn't sell much of it in the first place and, in fact, never restocked after that.

02-15-2011, 10:43 AM	#56
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	I just looked it up: Our offensive fg percentage went from 41% in Larry's first year to 46% in Flip's last year. Brown's team was 24th in scoring both years, but #1 in points allowed. Flip's last year, the Pistons were 17th in scoring... and also #1 in points allowed. Brown had the #2 defense his second year (points allowed). Flip had the #2 and #3 defense in his first two years, and the #1 defense the third (points allowed). Again, who was supposed to be going to the hole -- Rasheed? Who was scoring inside for Brown? (Nobody was scoring, if you look at the shooting percentage.) Believe it or not, we had a very good team under Flip Saunders. We stink now. Last edited by Jeff Hause; 02-15-2011 at 10:51 AM.

02-15-2011, 01:11 PM	#75
Statman Crothers Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 97 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	That is true. Phil Jackson has always had one or two or three of the creme of the crop. I think even when he won his title with the Albany Patroons in 1984 he had a Continental Basketball Association all timer. LOL! I am kidding. I do not have a stat on who was on that team nor do I really care about that one. Last edited by Statman Crothers; 02-15-2011 at 01:14 PM.

02-16-2011, 12:02 PM	#82
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Bringing Bitch Tits Fisher back to LA to act as a buffer between The Xerox and the rest of the team was an underrated key to the lakes winning titles again. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

02-16-2011, 03:06 PM	#84
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	I liked him as a rookie and then hated him for all of his flopping and occasional dirty play (ask Scola) but I bet he's really a quality individual. He really doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Antoine Walker with that nickname but some things are hard to give up. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

02-16-2011, 03:12 PM	#86
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	I'm not sure if I ever "Loved" Lambs. He was our guy, for sure, but love? Maybe. I have a feeling I would probably not like him if we met in person, though. I mean, he's a fucking Domer after all. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

02-15-2011, 08:46 AM	#51
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Well, what we need is a better defensive team. You can win shooting jumpers. You cannot win if the other team is shooting %55 or better against you every night. Obviously, PG is a big need. That's not the main culprit of our latest losing streak, though.

02-15-2011, 09:08 AM	#52
Billl Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,382 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Almost everyone on the team is a scorer not a defender but we are #27 in scoring. That is nuts! Obviously our defense needs to improve to, but we aren't going to beat anyone unless we start running an actual offense. 1-on-1 doesn't even work for Lebron James. It sure as hell isn't going to work for stuckey or ben gordon. Right now, the coach is thinking "we need to get some scorers on the floor or we will get blown out." What needs to happen is for us to start getting guys better looks within the flow of the offense so we can afford to sit scorers if they aren't playing defense. If you want to play more guys who are primarily defenders, then you need a way for them to be at least somewhat productive on the offensive end.

02-15-2011, 10:10 AM	#53
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	You can win shooting jumpers. That's what Flip Saunders thinks. You cannot win if the other team is shooting %55 or better against you every night. I wish Flip had known that when he was here.

02-15-2011, 10:16 AM	#54
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Sigh... We had a top-5 defense under Flip. Who was supposed to be going to the hole, Rasheed? Who was scoring inside for Brown?

02-15-2011, 10:30 AM	#55
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Top 5? He inherited the best defense in the league! If it was 5th that's a pretty far slide from the top.

02-15-2011, 10:54 AM	#57
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	We did have a very good team under Flip. We had a GREAT team under LB. I don't need to look it up to know that LB = finals and/or championship, whereas Flip = ECF embarrassment.

02-15-2011, 10:56 AM	#58
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Really? How did our "great" team lose to the Spurs? Samuelson's right in his blog. We had the third best team of the decade, behind the Lakers and Spurs. No shame in that. We were the least talented of those three teams, so it makes sense...

02-15-2011, 11:02 AM	#59
Stefan S Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,259 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	To be fair, with Ben Wallace we were great team. Without him, a very good team. After Flip's 1s year job (and unfortunately loosing some wits and composure at the end of the season and then the first slump in ECFinals), Wallace left for Chicago. Probably, at this moment we did not have enough to go all the way. With Ben, maybe we had. The rift between Ben and Flip might have costed us another chance or two.

02-15-2011, 11:06 AM	#60
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	(We were headed there with Larry, too. That's why he was looking into other coaching jobs.) And it it cost Ben his reputation. From a 4-time DPOY, All-NBA center to Bulls backup...

02-15-2011, 11:09 AM	#62
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	We were the most consistent team of the decade, anyway. The Lakers, Spurs, Celtics, Heat, etc, couldn't stay in the top-4 every year like the Pistons. We were top-4 from Carlisle through Flip...

02-15-2011, 11:13 AM	#64
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Now we're pretty consistent, too--but in terms of losing instead of winning...

02-15-2011, 11:19 AM	#65
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Not a new suggestion that LB would rather work the lottery teams into playoff teams than deal with the pressure of the Finals. Agreed on Ben's reputation. Flip should at least offer to take a few sucker punches as compensation. But, srsly, Ben did that to himself. They all succumbed to the hubris.

02-15-2011, 12:40 PM	#70
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I really dont see any reason for sticking with this coach. We all know how bad our roster is, but his game management is the complete worst I have ever seen. A team goes on a 8-0 run "nah I'll call a time out when its a 12-0 run". Joe has had to bad hires that last to tenures and his roster is horrible as well.

02-15-2011, 12:59 PM	#71
Statman Crothers Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 97 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I would like to see Assistant Coach Darrell Walker punch Head Coach Quitter Kuester in his quitting face.

02-15-2011, 01:06 PM	#73
King Mob Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,448 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Always having at least one if not more of the top 50 players of All Time on his team played a part in Jackson's success, if I may be so bold.

02-15-2011, 01:09 PM	#74
King Mob Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,448 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I agree with Billl, PG is our biggest need. Being 27th in scoring when our defense is so bad - meaning more possessions on O - is ridiculous.

02-15-2011, 01:13 PM	#76
Statman Crothers Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 97 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	That said Coach Phil Jackson does seem to make his players play better and I do not think I have ever seen him quit. I have seen John Kuester quit. I saw it last night.

02-15-2011, 02:50 PM	#77
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	The 2004 Finals was a great example of a coach and team quitting en masse. By Game 4 Derek Fisher was pretty much the only guy trying.

02-15-2011, 04:48 PM	#78
Detroit Playa Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 24 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	someone needs to do something about brian hill

02-16-2011, 12:40 AM	#79
Orwellian O. Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,819 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	HA!!!

02-16-2011, 11:32 AM	#81
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Shaq played well but his point and rebound averages in that series were far short of his career Finals averages. Part of that was Big Ben's doing, but also it was Kobe ballhogging and a general breakdown in optimism on that team. I remember Fisher giving an interview basically accusing the rest of the team of quitting.

02-16-2011, 01:36 PM	#83
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	He will be well remembered as a player and that's deserving. He grew up as a player with significant dysfunction around him on the Lakers and yet matured into exactly the kind of role player a contender needs.

02-16-2011, 03:09 PM	#85
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I don't hate those guys. We typically love that behavior from our own (Laimbeer), so why not respect that sort of effort? The guys I don't like are the unskilled ones like Varejao -- not that I wouldn't mind having him, but he gives up as many points as he prevents because he doesn't really have a feel for when to pull what trick. But the plays he does make are big-momentum plays...

02-16-2011, 03:17 PM	#87
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I don't want to meet anyone in person except maybe Sheed, cause he's just so interesting and he probably has some serious medical-grade mary jane to help aid in the bullshitting process. But I definitely LOVED Laimbeer, in the way it is possible to love an awkward, tip-toe running goofy oaf. Loved Mahorn too, in the way it is possible to love a very large man for his ass and how he uses it. I've always liked basketball when the big men make it incredibly hard to score, and those guys are probably why. The famous Bird/Nique shootout was definitely exciting at the time, for example, but watching it now it looks like a game of horse for all the defense on display. Last edited by hack; 02-16-2011 at 03:19 PM.

02-16-2011, 03:34 PM	#88
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Oh, Mahorn was one of my favorites. He might be the best guy of the Bad Boys to actually meet or the guy I think who would be the coolest in person. I guess I've "met" Rodman but that was only in the context of him being a customer at one of the clubs I worked at and me telling him that he'd cleaned us out of all of our non-alcoholic beer. The other times I've seen him in person I didn't talk to him. Lambs just came off like an arrogant rich kid that wound up playing basketball. Still, he milked it for all it was worth and he did care about winning. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

02-16-2011, 04:18 PM	#89
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I love the story of him drinking the bar dry of O'Douls, or whatever it was. IMO being a jerk is an outgrowth of getting rich and famous. Too many people want to give you whatever you want and it's hard to stay humble or normal. I don't want to pull back the curtain on any of these guys, save for a select few who might be interesting. Sheed's on that list for sure. Shaq would probably be a fucking blast. Last edited by hack; 02-16-2011 at 04:28 PM.

02-16-2011, 04:27 PM	#90
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	It's a relief. I saw him in a bar in Venice, CA, about 6 or 7 years ago and he was INCREDIBLY wasted...

02-16-2011, 04:33 PM	#91
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	who????

02-16-2011, 04:35 PM	#92
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Rodman. It was doubly pathetic because I'd read a story in the paper that he had just been in trouble in Vegas for public drunkenness. Hopefully he's got his life back together...

02-16-2011, 05:55 PM	#93
tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,787 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	It sounds like the trip to my club came shortly after that. He was on the wagon that night. In fairness, it's not like we had a ton of non-alcoholic beer available. Maybe 8 bottles in the whole club or something like that. It wasn't O'Doul's. I forget what it was but it had a fancier name. Maybe Kaliber? We didn't sell much of it in the first place and, in fact, never restocked after that. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?