[tin mad dog]

Last game before the all-star break.

[Kstat]

The only team in the league that uses more shooting guards than we do....

[Whiteman]

Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink

[Kstat]

Why the Pacers start Mike Dunleavy over Paul George and Brandon Rush is beyond me.

[Kstat]

..and Dahntay Jones, too.

[rpmfla]

Pistons wasted another good offensive run by letting the Pacers back in. They have done this all year. When they get that 10-12 point lead they NEVER build on it but instead let the other team close the gap.

I expect the Pacers to maintain their inside/outside consistency and win this game going away. Of course I hope I am wrong, but I have watched it too many times this year to expect anything else.

[Kstat]

Kuester left Bynum in too long-again.

[tin mad dog]

Tay got hacked right on the elbow on that last shot. And now back to the Michigan game!

[Kstat]

Of all the 1 on 1 players on the Pistons, Tayshaun is 4th, maybe 5th. Yet he always gets the last shot....

[TJPiston]

Wow Tayshaun was clobbered.

You have to fucking call that. There was 5 fouls on that play.

How do all 3 refs miss that?

[Mel Kiper Jr]

Originally Posted by TJPiston

Wow Tayshaun was clobbered.

You have to fucking call that. There was 5 fouls on that play.

How do all 3 refs miss that?

Keep your eye on the prize...it's more ping pong balls.

[detroitsportsfan]

What are the odds that Kstat will say something negative about Bynum in a game thread??? Answer: 100%. Sir, you are correct!!! (Applause.)

Originally Posted by Kstat

Kuester left Bynum in too long-again.

[Santos]

Originally Posted by rpmfla

Pistons wasted another good offensive run by letting the Pacers back in. They have done this all year. When they get that 10-12 point lead they NEVER build on it but instead let the other team close the gap.

I expect the Pacers to maintain their inside/outside consistency and win this game going away. Of course I hope I am wrong, but I have watched it too many times this year to expect anything else.

That's trivial to explain. The only way to hold on to leads is by playing defense. The opponent is going to tighten up his defense and unless you can equal his effort, the lead will disappear for sure. Problem is, we're a lousy defensive team.

[Santos]

Originally Posted by tin mad dog

Tay got hacked right on the elbow on that last shot. And now back to the Michigan game!

Second time in a couple of weeks that we have a last shot to win the game clearly fouled and the referees solemnly ignore.

[Kstat]

It wasn't easy to enjoy the W last night. We should have won that game by 15+ the way we were shooting the ball, and Indiana was in a total funk from letting the Miami game get away from them the night before. Yet we still let them back into the game half a dozen times after having the chance to put them away for good.

The thing that pisses me off is, we have so many very good individual scorers on this team, we don't need a lot of easy baskets to score points. If we were even an average defensive team, we'd be in the playoffs.

Our defense is so fucking bad. Our rotations are sloppy as hell, our transition D is awful, and we don't box out for shit. We're easily the worst defensive team in the entire league, and the responsibility is split down the middle between the players and the coaches. The players don't play smart enough on defense, but the coaching staff does a shit job of preparing them.

The only reason we don't give up 110 on a nightly basis is because we slow the game down so we can limit the amount of chances the other team gets to exploit our shitty transition D.

[Mel Kiper Jr]

It's tough to play good team defense, when we keep signing free agents that don't play defense.

[Big Jerm]

Originally Posted by Mel Kiper Jr

It's tough to play good team defense, when we keep signing free agents that don't play defense.

Sad, because it's so true.

[Whiteman]

We still dont use CV the right way. That guy can score majority in the post at will ala Corlis. But we leave him on the perimeter. Last year it seemed he was in the post more. We just are not getitng the most out of this squad. How is it that we are still talking about chemistry when its half way through feb. Lies strictly on this horrible coach.

[detroitsportsfan]

That's one reason he reminds me of Sheed. CV is a capable post-up scorer but I think prefers standing out near the 3-point line. Corliss was different in that he didn't mind banging with bodies down low.

[hack]

LOL. Your urge to say stupid shit again and again is getting Newmanesque.

[Stefan S]

Originally Posted by hack

LOL. Your urge to say stupid shit again and again is getting Newmanesque.

I disagree with it.

For one thing, CV has an ability to score inside.

The problem is that, unlike Sheed, has no ability or will (or both) top play D.

[hack]

Both can/could score inside, but they are completely different players. CV's chief value is in his scoring, and when he gives you none he's useless. Sheed doesn't have to score to be useful.

[Stefan S]

I agree with this.

But, also, DSF was commenting on but CVs O abilities/tendencies. I'd say he is about right about it.

[hack]

I don't think so at all. CV is more or less a floor-bound guy -- he's not one you toss a lob to, or one to initiate his offense with his back to the basket. He is more likely to create for himself off the dribble when facing the basket. He's pretty good, when dialed in, at doing that in traffic. A dribble or two to create some space and then up with a half hook or something.

Sheed was not the kind of guy to do that at all. Sheed would get up there above the rim and flush down lobs, although after 2004 we hardly encouraged that from him. When he did score inside he did it back-to-the-basket in a very traditional way -- a turnaround jumper, or the seal the defender/hook the leg/turn-and-shoot progression that coaches used to drill into anyone 6-6 or taller.

The only thing they both do/did on a regular basis is drain 3s. If that's your only point of similarity than the comparison is useless. Plenty of big men of many kinds have had that kind of range over the years.

[Kstat]

...this is like comparing Greg Monroe to Wes Unseld because they are similar dunkers.

[detroitsportsfan]

Thanx Stefan S.

Originally Posted by Stefan S

I agree with this.

But, also, DSF was commenting on but CVs O abilities/tendencies. I'd say he is about right about it.

[detroitsportsfan]

Hey retard. You more or less agreed with what I said. As far as CV being "a floor-bound guy," I've seen quite a few alley-oops thrown his way (I think the last one was from a guy named Bynum). There are similarities between Sheed & Villa on offense. On defense??? No, not at all. Of course, Sheed was a more complete player than Villa ever will be.

Originally Posted by hack

I don't think so at all. CV is more or less a floor-bound guy -- he's not one you toss a lob to, or one to initiate his offense with his back to the basket. He is more likely to create for himself off the dribble when facing the basket. He's pretty good, when dialed in, at doing that in traffic. A dribble or two to create some space and then up with a half hook or something.

Sheed was not the kind of guy to do that at all. Sheed would get up there above the rim and flush down lobs, although after 2004 we hardly encouraged that from him. When he did score inside he did it back-to-the-basket in a very traditional way -- a turnaround jumper, or the seal the defender/hook the leg/turn-and-shoot progression that coaches used to drill into anyone 6-6 or taller.

The only thing they both do/did on a regular basis is drain 3s. If that's your only point of similarity than the comparison is useless. Plenty of big men of many kinds have had that kind of range over the years.

[Kstat]

CV still doesnt get off the floor. He converts those alley ooops becvause he has gigantic hands and hes 6'11."

[detroitsportsfan]

Nice try. He won't be mistaken for one of the league's "high flyers" but he still has to get "off the floor."

[hack]

You can say it all you want and call me names till 2020 but there are not similarities between them save for the fact that they are both shoot 3s. That is a similarity, not ``similarities''. They don't even float in the same way! And you would have to have made a very profound commitment to failing to notice anything when you watch basketball if you can't tell that there are many different types of 3-shooting big men.

So, no, I did not agree with you.

[detroitsportsfan]

Actually, most "big men" are not proficient at shooting the 3. Charlie V & Sheed are. It's actually part of their comfort zone.