[DYNOMITE]

Originally Posted by hack

I am very interested in his actual height and wingspan. A legit 6-9 is a big, big factor.

You would take Barnes? Really?

I think so. He has the total physical package and the production. I think he could be a star at the next level. We have a gapping hole at the 3 and having a player that can be a 20+ point a night scorer there would be a nice problem to have. He is considered to be a pretty good defensive player. I like that combo a lot. One thing Sullinger is not is fast. Moose is not fast either. Something to consider.

[Kstat]

Laimbeer and Mahorn were slow as molasses. You make up for it at other positions.

[Hobbs]

The only way I'd take Barnes is if I was convinced he was a shut down defender. He gets a lot of love from some quarters for his offense, but it's not terribly good when you really examine it. He'll score, but isn't super efficient at it and adds little else.

He's just another middle of the pack swing player unless he's a great defender.

[Kstat]

Originally Posted by hack

I like Sullinger. I think I'd take him over any swingman I've seen this year. Kstat thinks we should trade Monroe to clear space for him and I have reacted rationally to that, but such a response doesn't make me a Sullinger hater.

I said no such thing. It was purely hypothetical.

[Mainevent]

I think Sullinger's floor is pretty high, Paul Millsap type production, with the potential that he could reach the non-asshole Zach Randolph level that we've seen in the past couple of years.

[DYNOMITE]

Originally Posted by Kstat

Laimbeer and Mahorn were slow as molasses. You make up for it at other positions.

Salley and Rodman were not. It was the infusion of the young athletic bigs that really turned the tide for us. I am not against Sullinger at all, I just think I may take Barnes over him if given the chance.

[Kstat]

Barnes should be a very good pro. He scores extremely well in the flow of an offense that is not at all built to support him. He's also a very good defender and a pretty good rebounder.

It also should be noted that Kyle Singler is also a wild card in all of this.

[Kstat]

Originally Posted by DYNOMITE

Salley and Rodman were not.

That's my point. Mahorn and Laimbeer started, and Rodman and Salley came off the bench when needed when we were short on athleticism.

Stuckey and Knight are two of the fastest guards in the league at their positions. However neither one is particularly big, so you compliment that with some beef up front.

[DYNOMITE]

Originally Posted by Hobbs

The only way I'd take Barnes is if I was convinced he was a shut down defender. He gets a lot of love from some quarters for his offense, but it's not terribly good when you really examine it. He'll score, but isn't super efficient at it and adds little else.

He's just another middle of the pack swing player unless he's a great defender.

Well there you go, I think he will be a pretty good 2-way player. He has been compared to Deng. I would like that on this team a lot.

[tin mad dog]

Originally Posted by Mainevent

I think Sullinger's floor is pretty high, Paul Millsap type production, with the potential that he could reach the non-asshole Zach Randolph level that we've seen in the past couple of years.

Well, last year. Zach's only played 4 games this year. We don't want that.

[hack]

And previous to that he'd never won a playoff game despite being one of the league's closest to a true 20/10. The thick/slow post players are a conundrum. so many of them can fill the stat sheet without really doing much to win games. I honestly haven't seen enough of Sullinger to be sure, but I don't think he's one of those.

[hack]

I think I agree with Hobbs re Barnes. And, I don't want a Deng. I'd rather come away with a Corliss Deluxe than a Deng.

[DYNOMITE]

I think the defensive end of Deng's game is under-appreciated. If Barnes can give you that plus 20 a night, he should be in the discussion.

[DYNOMITE]

Not to mention, if Singler is your small forward of the future, who is it Stuckey and Knight are going to pass to on the break?

[Kstat]

Nobody's saying he is, and they should not draft with him in mind. He's just a strong possibility to fall back in in the event we cannot acquire another young SF.

[mn3]

Originally Posted by Kstat

That's my point. Mahorn and Laimbeer started, and Rodman and Salley came off the bench when needed when we were short on athleticism.

Stuckey and Knight are two of the fastest guards in the league at their positions. However neither one is particularly big, so you compliment that with some beef up front.

Having really fast athletic guards gives us the ability to collapse to the ball in the post in a hurry. Last night, it seemed like our guards were very active digging back from distance to pressure big men who were in the paint. Knight, Stuckey and Bynum were all very active. Even Gordon got in the act.

I think it's a valid point to consider that if we did have Monroe and Sullinger, that we could load up our team with fast and long and athletic perimeter players. Let's assume Monroe and Sullinger were great together on offense - well, if we did have great athletes at 1,2 and 3, perhaps we could still be an outstanding D team. I think that's a lot of assumptions, and I wouldn't think that's a great possibility for everything to work out that way - but maybe it could work. How cerebral a player is Sullinger? Would he and Monroe, together with outstanding rebounders like Stuckey and Knight at the guards, and JJ at SF (or even Singler, who kstat likes a lot at that position) dominate the boards?

Screw it - I want Anthony Davis. It's God's job to make that happen.

[Whiteman]

would like to see some highlights of Singler over seas.

[joe servo]

Apparently, he's turned into the greatest player of all time.

This is a two-player draft for me: Davis or Kidd-Gilchrist. Barnes does nothing for me, PerryJones is being exposed by the game, Drummond is a half-ass floater.

[hack]

Next year's will be a (-3)-player draft for you. By 2014 you'll be demanding the violent murder of all but 7 prospects.

[mn3]

Todd (Tn)





If Nerlens Noel and Shabaaz Muhammed were allowed in this draft what does the top 5 look like?
Chad Ford(1:54 PM)





They're both in it. After Davis ... a bit of a let down with Harrison Barnes, Andre Drummond and Perry Jones. Kidd-Gilchrist is probably a lock in that 5. But Noel and Muhammed would probably push out Barnes and Drummond. Jones has already slid out of the Top 5 into the mid lottery.
David (St. Louis)



Perry Jones seems to be dropping in your top 100. Just because he's passive? Can that be fixed?
Chad Ford(1:55 PM)




Actually. Motor, heart ... whatever you want to call it is one of the hardest things to fix.

Lee (Ca)



How far could Perry Jones drop?
Chad Ford(1:55 PM)




He's down to 10 on our Big Board. Could slide again if he doesn't pick it up soon.

[hack]

To clarify, ``They're both in it'' does not mean those two players are draft eligible come June, right?

[mn3]

Originally Posted by hack

To clarify, ``They're both in it'' does not mean those two players are draft eligible come June, right?

Correct, I think. They're both HS seniors.

[hack]

Nerlens Noel has great hair but his name is too reminiscent of Yertle the Turtle for me to expect greatness.

[joe servo]

I think it meant they'd both be in the top 5 if in the draft. I don't think they'll be allowed, nothing's changed as far as I know.

[Jangul]

Who is Cody Zeller? How come the Chad Ford Mock Draft machine says we like him more than Sullinger?

[hack]

Tyler's younger brother who is frosh at Indiana. I didn't even think he's considered likely to enter the draft this year. Figured he'd stay around another year. Haven't seen him enough to have an opionion. No idea why anyone would think we'd like him more than Sullinger, but if it's Chad Ford doing that thinking, well, he has a pretty damn good track record of knowing what Joe thinks. Could be telling.

[Hobbs]

Cody Zeller has some amazing numbers offensively. His rebounding is pretty bad at this stage though. I have read that he is very highly thought of.

[TJPiston]

I've seen Cody Zeller play a couple times. He's definitely legit and will go lottery whenever he declares.

I don't think he enters the draft this year though.

[B.I.G.]

We need a true pg. I'll take that guy from North Carolina. He's going to be good.

[Orwellian O.]

Lol....

[tin mad dog]

Davis, with his J improving, reminds me of what a mentally stable Rasheed would've looked like at that age.

[Mainevent]

Davis is far more similar to Duncan as a Freshman than anyone I can think of. Same ability to dominate with defense/shotblocking, same skinny body, same raw offensive game. Whether or not Davis has the ability/drive to take it to that HOF level, who knows.

[tin mad dog]

Let's just hope we somehow land that top spot.

[papalawrence]

I've got about 47 karma units that I intend to send to the Pistons on ping pong day.

[B.I.G.]

Originally Posted by tin mad dog

Let's just hope we somehow land that top spot.

That won't happen. The Hornets will get the number 1 pick.

[Kstat]

Because...?

[B.I.G.]

David Stern want's to sell the Hornets, that's why.

[Kstat]

Originally Posted by B.I.G.

David Stern want's to sell the Hornets, that's why.

http://www.abc26.com/news/newswithat...4209106.column

He's already sold them.

[rpmfla]

Drummond really showed off his physical/athletic ability against Syracuse in the rematch last night. He went off for something like 18/16/6. He did it without making one post move all night. It was all lobs, put backs and garbage around the hoop. What impressed me more was just how dominant he is physically. If he stays in school another year under Calhoun he'll hopefully learn how to play basketball. But, if he doesn't enter the draft the Pistons will have fewer choices when it gets to their (my predicted) 7-8 pick.

...oh, and Fab Melo is a very skilled shot blocker. I haven't seen Davis this year (Dick Vitale said, when commenting on Melo being a great shot blocker, that Davis is far beyond anyone else in that category).

[RugbyPike#11]

I haven't seen Drummond enough to know if his inconsistency comes from lack of effort or from just being raw. Anybody?

[DYNOMITE]

Kidd-Gilchrist says he is staying.

[Kstat]

His skill level is very low.

[Stefan S]

Originally Posted by Kstat

Hornets deal is done - WGNO

He's already sold them.

looks like good news for NO.
And they have assets to build on.

by the way, "Jazz" looks so stupid in Utah
and the "Hornetts" in NO?

The nics like this should stay with the cities.

[Stefan S]

Originally Posted by RugbyPike#11

I haven't seen Drummond enough to know if his inconsistency comes from lack of effort or from just being raw. Anybody?

I remember some reports that his conditioning and body weight were sometimes at question. This may suggest some laziness and lack of dedication to professional life style.

[Stefan S]

Originally Posted by Kstat

His skill level is very low.

that probably, too
but I seem to remember some scouting reps questioning his motor (whatever it is) and heart.

[mn3]

Kidd-Gilchrist staying would be a major blow to what's starting to look like a very questionable draft. If we don't get super-lucky and end up with the #1 pick, we might not end up with anything more than a rotation player/non-star out of this lottery. That would be a pretty major blow to the Pistons trying to ever build a championship contender.

[DYNOMITE]

Originally Posted by mn3

Kidd-Gilchrist staying would be a major blow to what's starting to look like a very questionable draft. If we don't get super-lucky and end up with the #1 pick, we might not end up with anything more than a rotation player/non-star out of this lottery. That would be a pretty major blow to the Pistons trying to ever build a championship contender.

Agreed. But at least there will be rotation big men available. I consider Moose a future big man star. We should, at a minimum, be able to compliment him some. With Joe's recent luck, Davis will probably, inexplicably fall to us @ pick 11.

[Hobbs]

Everyone says they are staying until they don't stay.

Calipari pushes guys out the door if he thinks they're ready. He'll be advising Gilchrist to go. Gilchrist is also supposedly really close with World Wide Wes.

Maybe he stays, but I wouldn't really bet on that yet.

[DYNOMITE]

What do we know/think about Qunicy Miller?

[Hobbs]

DraftExpress: NBA Draft Prospect of the Week: Quincy Miller

I like Miller. He's not a finished prospect at all, but he can shoot, should be able to play D, and has some all around game.