[tin mad dog]

John Henson doesn't look like he put on any weight but he is tearing up sparti.

[tin mad dog]

p.s.- It is nice to see some BASKETBALL!

[tin mad dog]

Doesn't suck to see spari lose either.

[hack]

Doesn't suck at all, no.

Henson looked good. Beanpole still, but he caries a good bit of his weight in his butt. Wish he'd have come out this year, but hopefully next -- I still think he's ideal for us.

[Kstat]

Well, ideal would be Anthony Davis....holy shit that kid is pure talent. Hard to not see him going #1 unless they raise the age limit.

I want to see Henson do something against an NBA-sized frontline. He's a superb shot blocker, but we knew that already. I want to see him hold his position in the paint against someone he might see at the next level.

[Lou Stefanic]

Yeah, Anthony Davis already appears to be a great defensive player.

(And it looks like he's sporting a monobrow that brings back fond memories of Memo.)

[Kstat]

Assuming the NBA gets what they want with the 20-year rule, I think Sullinger becomes an ideal target, followed by Harrison Barnes.

Henson is a wild card, and he's going to stay that way until he shows some real improvement in his overall game. Same with perry Jones.

[hack]

Well where we'd pick in this draft is totally unknown. Is there a precedent to go by? Assuming we're in the middle of the lottery, however, I bet Sullinger's gone. Would he be good next to Monroe? Are you gonna insist Sullinger's a C because Monroe can't play C in your book?

IMO you draft Sullinger over Henson because the floor is much lower with Henson, but also the upside is greater. Sullinger's Corliss, which is a great 6th man to have. Henson could be the absolute perfect complement to Monroe.

[Kstat]

The most likely scenario is the NHL route where winning percentage over the previous three seasons is factored in. The Pistons would most likely draft in the 6-8 range again, assuming they don't win the lottery.

Sullinger is not Corliss. If Corliss was 6'8" 270+ lbs, he'd have been an all-star.

I don't think either Henson or Sullinger is a great compliment to Monroe, but IMO Sullinger is ready to dominate physically at an NBA level, while Henson needs to prove he won't be tossed around under the rim like a rag doll and is more than just a shot blocker.

Neither guy is a real center on an NBA level, but Memphis has shown you can win with a duo similar to Monroe and Sullinger. I'm more comfortable with the low post monster than the skinny shot blocking wild card.

[hack]

Thanks for the scenario.

Sullinger is Corliss. He probably isn't even 6-8, but we'll see when there's draft physicals. No matter an inch or two -- he's Corliss but not as thick at this point. He could fill out. But, he's Corliss. Which isn't a bad thing.

I'm not convinced Memphis is a model to copy, but I see your point -- go with the proven skill rather than the guy who could completely wash out. Mystified, however, that you don't think Henson isn't a great compliment to Monroe. What we need next to that guy is a shot blocker and weak-side defender. Henson was born into the role. Period.

Either way, hey it's just nice to argue a bit of basketball. Scant opportunities lately.

[DYNOMITE]

Is there no end to your silliness? Corliss was listed as 6'7", 245. Sullinger is listed @ 6'9", 280. Sullinger is 35 pounds heavier but not as thick? If we have 2 power players, both capable of playing out of the high or low post, I think we will be OK. And ditto Kstat......Sullinger is not Corliss. Sullinger has some of the best hands I have ever seen. Sullinger's rebounding is at another level compared to Corliss. And Sullinger will, from day one, be one of the best passers out of the post. He is special in that regard.

[hack]

1. I've looked up close at Sullinger live. He was a bit shorter than Jordan Morgan, who is listed at 6-8, as of about a year ago. We'll see when the pre-draft measurements come out.

2. I didn't say Sullinger being Corliss is a bad thing. I'd love to have him.

[DYNOMITE]

Originally Posted by hack

1. I've looked up close at Sullinger live. He was a bit shorter than Jordan Morgan, who is listed at 6-8, as of about a year ago. We'll see when the pre-draft measurements come out.

2. I didn't say Sullinger being Corliss is a bad thing. I'd love to have him.

I heard Morgan is actually 7'2", but we will see.


But Sullinger isn't Corliss and I knew you didn't mean it in a negative way. But you did mean in a way that made him one dimensional, which he is not. Maybe I misinterpreted your suggestion that Sullinger would be a fine 6th man. I think Henson would make a great defensive 3 although I have concerns he may be too light for the position.

[The King]

Sullinger is a beast on the block. A beast. He's not Corliss at all. Corliss was a tweener. Sullinger is a legit NBA PF who will draw double teams on offense. He has a great skill set and uses his body well. Extremely polished even as a freshman last year.

[Kstat]

Originally Posted by hack

2. I didn't say Sullinger being Corliss is a bad thing. I'd love to have him.

You said it in a sense that he'll never be a starter, because he's too slow to play the 3 and not big enough for the 4, or else you wouldn't have brought up the career 6th man thing. I disagree with that entirely. He's big as hell even for an NBA power forward. A little short, but not Corliss short.

He reminds me more of Barkley in the post than Corliss. Much better backing down and shooting the fade. He also doesn't panic at the sight of a second defender.

[Kstat]

Originally Posted by hack

Mystified, however, that you don't think Henson isn't a great compliment to Monroe. What we need next to that guy is a shot blocker and weak-side defender. Henson was born into the role. Period.

My problem with Henson is the same as last year. His athleticism and wingspan are ideal for the role next to Monroe, sure. But that won't matter if he can't put on enough muscle to keep other big men from going right at him. He's shown very little in terms of playing good post defense against a polished scorer.

He also needs to develop some kind of offensive game, or at best he's another Sam Dalembert, even with a bigger body.

[DYNOMITE]

Originally Posted by Kstat

You said it in a sense that he'll never be a starter, because he's too slow to play the 3 and not big enough for the 4, or else you wouldn't have brought up the career 6th man thing. I disagree with that entirely. He's big as hell even for an NBA power forward. A little short, but not Corliss short.

He reminds me more of Barkley in the post than Corliss. Much better backing down and shooting the fade. He also doesn't panic at the sight of a second defender.

Sullinger is shooting 3's this year. I seriously thought to myself, he is the next Barkley.

[Kstat]

He doesn't handle the ball quite as well, nor is he quite as explosive. He's a lot closer to him than he is Corliss, though. He's in better shape, too.

I was also blown away last night with how much better he's gotten at passing out of the post.

[hack]

I haven't seen him this year; it could be he's made a quantum leap. However based on last year, he's Corliss to me and that's a good thing in my book. Given that the Barkley word got tossed around re Max, we all ought to be careful assuming that about Sullinger. Great player though.

Re Henson, I'd take Dalembert with a blank slate for an attitude at the 7th pick for sure. The 7th pick is no guarantee of anything.

[Kstat]

my point is, that would be his absolute upside if he doesn't improve his overall game. I don't want someone at #7 that at best might be Dalembert and a t worst could be a washout.

Also, I don't recall anyone other than 1 or 2 people that ever compared Maxiell to Barkley. That's as asinine as comparing Charlie V to Sheed.

[hack]

Villanueva and Sheed remind me of Terry Mills and Bill Laimbeer.

[Stefan S]

Originally Posted by hack

Villanueva and Sheed remind me of Terry Mills and Bill Laimbeer.

Sort off.

In a way, as both V and Sheed loved the long ball.

Mills was a softie; no D at all.

Laimbs played great and physical (and agitating) D at C.

Sheed kind of in a middle: a great defender (at one time, fabulous defender). But not as "nasty" and physical as laimbeer.

[hack]

Stefan in no way are those players similar save for they all could shoot well. But I like to compare them at every opportunity in order to mock DSF, who also likes to compare them at every opportunity but really means it.

[whoDean]

Who ever compared Maxiell to Barkley???

[RugbyPike#11]

I remember who it was. I'll give you three guesses but you'll only need one.

[whoDean]

Are his initials MN?

[tin mad dog]

Fattinger is maybe more like a Zeebo.

[Kstat]

He's not fat anymore. He's in amazing shape now.

[tin mad dog]

Good for him. I haven't seen him yet. Is he able to jump now?

[tin mad dog]

I can't say I completely disagree but I don't like seeing that TH Jr. is projected as a mid-first rounder in this mock. A mock that came out before he averaged 20 PPG in Maui.

Long live the lockout!

2012 Mock Draft | NBADraft.net

[RugbyPike#11]

They used to have him as a lottery pick in 2013. MMMFG is projected #3 overall in the 2013 draft.

2013 Mock Draft | NBADraft.net

[Kstat]

I suppose the difference is, Tim's family is already rich, so the money of the NBA won't be a big pull for him.

He could be a top-10 pick in 2013 if he stays.

[The King]

Hardaway has a great NBA body. Long and athletic. It's funny how different his game is compared to his pops. Two totally different players.

[The Oracle]

I don't think THSr. is all that rich anymore. Well off, maybe, but not rich.

[fredsue]

Originally Posted by The Oracle

I don't think THSr. is all that rich anymore. Well off, maybe, but not rich.

so he is in the 99%...oops wrong thread....

[Kstat]

Originally Posted by The Oracle

I don't think THSr. is all that rich anymore. Well off, maybe, but not rich.

Career earnings of $46 million. Haven't read anything to suggest he blew it.

[tin mad dog]

I haven't really seen him beyond the Michigan game but Douche's Austin Rivers looked pretty damn talented.

[Kstat]

Sub-Zero is a bit of an asshole, but he's got talent.

[Hobbs]

He's a chucker. No interest in him as a Piston.

[Kstat]

hard to just label him that at 18. He's got a lot of all-around ability.

[Hobbs]

I've seen a couple games and read a couple reports and that makes me an expert on him.

Ok, maybe it doesn't, but everything I've seen points to him being only interested in his statline (and specifically the points portion of that line).

[Kstat]

It's a difficult assessment to make, because he's the only player on Duke's roster that can dribble with his head up. Just about all his points have to come off the dribble. Nobody else is going to create for him.

[tin mad dog]

By the way, I remember reading somewhere that in the negotiations there was some talk about the NBA going back to 3 rounds in the draft.

Did that happen?

[hack]

Nah. I remember Austin as an infant -- kid just threw shit around like he was born in to it. Me and Doc laugh about it whenever we hang.

[tin mad dog]

John Battle always brings a bag of pretzels.

[tin mad dog]

I'm still waiting for Davis to do something. He picked up a really dumb foul that put him to the bench and put an IU guy on the line for 3 FT's.

[tin mad dog]

Davis bricks the front end of a 1 and 1 to give IU a chance for the upset.

Davis has a freakish monobrow.

[Dave Bing]

Have you guys watched Meyers Leonard play? NBA po?

[B.I.G.]

What is Andrew Drummond doing? He is projected number 1 but he only averages 7 points a game.

[NesleCrunch]

That may be, but he just put up 24 in his last game to go along with 8 rebs and 5 blocks.