Should we have resigned Prince?

FadedMario · 12-20-2011, 01:38 AM

Watch this video -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iio4w...ayer_embedded#!

I'm second-guessing the Prince signing. I know Daye has some flaws - but he is still a project with HUGE upside. I would hate for us to trade him to Utah or somewhere and have him become a star there.

Knight
Stuckey
Daye
?????
Monroe

Prince is 31 and I honestly would have rather had Daye starting this year.

FadedMario · 12-20-2011, 01:48 AM

Also - heard some rumors today that Detroit and Utah are talking (NBA - Twitter). If true, I can almost guarantee Daye will be one of the guys getting moved if a trade goes down. I'm not ready to give up on this kid.

Kstat · 12-20-2011, 02:06 AM

Really depends what we get in return. If Favors is included, I'll drive date to the airport myself.

FadedMario · 12-20-2011, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kstat

Really depends what we get in return. If Favors is included, I'll drive date to the airport myself.

Favors went off tonight (25 and 12). Supposedly the Jazz like what they have in him and Kanter. So that leaves Milsap and Jefferson.

King Mob · 12-20-2011, 02:15 AM

The only thing that video is evidence of is that Daye has accumulated 5 minutes worth of made shots over his 2 year career. You could put together a sizzle real for any player in the NBA. I don't understand the purpose of presenting it as if it's a convincing argument, you could just as easily make a 5 minute video of Daye's bricked shots and bone-headed plays.

Trading Daye does not equal giving up on him. But if it nets us a quality big I would do it in the hottest of seconds, myself. Favors for Daye+? Yes, please. And it has the added benefit of squelching a season full of Mason screeching "Knight and Daye!"

FadedMario · 12-20-2011, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by King Mob

The only thing that video is evidence of is that Daye has accumulated 5 minutes worth of made shots over his 2 year career. You could put together a sizzle real for any player in the NBA. I don't understand the purpose of presenting it as if it's a convincing argument, you could just as easily make a 5 minute video of Daye's bricked shots and bone-headed plays.

Trading Daye does not equal giving up on him. But if it nets us a quality big I would do it in the hottest of seconds, myself. Favors for Daye+? Yes, please. And it has the added benefit of squelching a season full of Mason screeching "Knight and Daye!"

I'd be more than cool with a Favors deal too - but it's not going to happen. Milsap or Jefferson are probably all Utah will even trade. I'm not sold on a Monroe/Jefferson frontcourt.

Orwellian O. · 12-20-2011, 02:19 AM

I would like Daye to get some big minutes this year.

I'm hoping he can back up Tay and pick up some minutes at PF.

King Mob · 12-20-2011, 02:21 AM

I don't see how we can match Jefferson's contract, unless the deal is for BG. Millsap would be less difficult to match, although he's less exciting than Favors. If it's for Memo I'll puke.

If BG get's dealt for a big I'd be ecstatic. No knock on his game; $11 million is just way too much to pay him to come off the bench.

FadedMario · 12-20-2011, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by King Mob

I don't see how we can match Jefferson's contract, unless the deal is for BG. Millsap would be less difficult to match, although he's less exciting than Favors. If it's for Memo I'll puke.

If BG get's dealt for a big I'd be ecstatic. No knock on his game; $11 million is just way too much to pay him to come off the bench.

Gordon/Daye for Jefferson/Miles

could work - You could also sub Milsap for Jefferson and it would be close too.

Kstat · 12-20-2011, 02:44 AM

I'd do either deal in a heartbeat.

I want help up front for Monroe more than I care about Austin Daye.

papalawrence · 12-20-2011, 05:51 AM

AD is a unique talent and I would love to see if he can emerge......but I have a gut feeling he will never be more than some instant offense who will have hot streaks and be inconsistent at times. I don't live in Michigan and do not get to see him play enough to have a strong opinion though. If/when the Pistons return to contention I would see him as a nice piece, but replaceable. Getting a vet big (or, yeah, Favors would be best) next to Monroe would be more beneficial. I just don't want Joe to get the Pistons locked into any more long term mediocre deals. How long are Jefferson and Millsap's deals?

Kstat · 12-20-2011, 07:15 AM

Both Millsap and Jefferson are under contract until 2013, 1 year less than CV31 and Gordon.

Lou Stefanic · 12-20-2011, 08:56 AM

Gordon would make a lot of sense next to Harris, who is a pretty awful shooter.

Jefferson is only 26 and he's a helluva scorer and shotblocker, just not a great defender. We'd probably still be in line for a top ten pick in the draft.

A line-up of Knight, Stuckey, Tay, Jefferson, and Monroe would be pretty fun to watch. We'd obviously need either a defensive big or a superstar-type swingman in the draft, but at least we'd have low post scoring sewn up.

hack · 12-20-2011, 12:04 PM

Jefferson is only 26 and he's a helluva scorer and shotblocker, just not a great defender. We'd probably still be in line for a top ten pick in the draft.

Sounds a bit have cake/eat it too. If the addition of Jefferson doesn't make us a playoff team, than a middling lottery pick added to him and the current core shouldn't excite anyone.

hack · 12-20-2011, 12:07 PM

That said, I'm all for moving Daye and or Gordon but not for Jefferson. 26 and supposedly an elite inside scorer and rebounder but who has been given up on by 3 teams, never been on a winner, has an injury history, and a terrible contract. Not touching that; no way.

Kstat · 12-20-2011, 12:28 PM

it's not like we'd be giving up much for him, and he's got a shorter contract than Gordon.

Even as a stopgap, it's a good deal. It would help Monroe's development significantly if he had another big man that was able to take some of the offensive workload.

B.I.G. · 12-20-2011, 12:46 PM

If we somehow get Favors in a deal, I'm all for trying to make the playoffs this season, if not,,tank, tank, tank

Kstat · 12-20-2011, 01:03 PM

I'm more worried about the physical pounding Monroe will take than our W/L record, if he's getting double teamed in the paint every trip down.

Dave Bing · 12-20-2011, 01:10 PM

are you suggesting that Maxy does not provide adequate protection? how dare you?

hack · 12-20-2011, 01:12 PM

He's got some long wings...

King Mob · 12-20-2011, 01:27 PM

BG and CV sitting out tonight for personal reasons. I've decided to believe it's for personnel reasons.

Dave Bing · 12-20-2011, 01:32 PM

We wish. Okafor! Jefferson! Someone!

FadedMario · 12-20-2011, 02:10 PM

Would be nuts if we unload CV and BG. Joe D might save his future.

FadedMario · 12-20-2011, 02:10 PM

RT @vgoodwill: BG and CV out tonight... Personal reasons -> 6 mins ago

FadedMario · 12-20-2011, 02:11 PM

vgoodwill Vincent Goodwill
Daye, Knight, Tay, Monroe and Jonas starting tonight #Pistons

FadedMario · 12-20-2011, 02:12 PM

vgoodwill Vincent Goodwill
umm, no RT @rmdub "personal reasons" is code for trade, right? #pipedream

Kstat · 12-20-2011, 02:12 PM

could be a coincidence...but personal reasons could mean a lot of things.

Whiteman · 12-20-2011, 02:28 PM

Knight Daye Tay JJ and Monroe is probably our best defensive team. I like Daye at the 2 to use his length. He can back away 3 feet and still block a shot.

Kstat · 12-20-2011, 02:31 PM

Daye at the 2 is a problem. He doesn't have the footspeed. Likewise, Jerebko is better defensively at the 3. He's a little light defending the post against bruisers.

Knight Stuckey Tay Monroe and Big Ben is probably our best defensive unit.

King Mob · 12-20-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Whiteman

Knight Daye Tay JJ and Monroe is probably our best defensive team. I like Daye at the 2 to use his length. He can back away 3 feet and still block a shot.

Not after his man has blown by him like he was a scrub in an And-1 tape.

Whiteman · 12-20-2011, 02:36 PM

I think Daye can get away with his length. Hell, 3 feet away he can still bother a shot. His length is his best attribute on defense. Yes Stuckey is quicker but when he has to face the taller shooting guards, he gets exposed just as much as Daye does with quicker gaurds. So with Daye's Length thats all im saying.

Kstat · 12-20-2011, 02:39 PM

He can get away with it at the 3. At the 2, he's toast in transition.

And Stuckey is stronger than most 2-guards and hard to post up. He also has very quick hands and creates a lot of turnovers. He rarely gets "exposed."

Billl · 12-20-2011, 02:41 PM

Daye isn't going to be our starting 2 guard, so there really isn't anything to worry about.

Whiteman · 12-20-2011, 02:47 PM

Well obviously we are not going to play the best defensive match up all game. I like Daye at the 2 when we need a stop based on the match up. His length on a tough match up to give the opposing guard different looks. But Daye could also punish his much shorter defender on offense.

On Wade I like Stuckey there, on Kobe I like Daye there.

Kstat · 12-20-2011, 02:50 PM

I was with you until you said this:

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Originally Posted by Whiteman

On Wade I like Stuckey there, on Kobe I like Daye there.

Kobe might drop 50 on Daye if you left him there. That would be humiliating.

Kobe has both a significant speed and strength advantage on Austin.

Daye at the 2 works if he's guarding a jumpshooter that isn't a very good ballhandler, but that's it. Any guard that can both shoot and slash will eat him alive, because he isn't fast enough to keep up, and he isn't strong enough to deal with guards that drive right into his chest to take his length advantage away.

At the very least, Stuckey can fight Kobe for position in the post, and make him think twice about putting the ball too low. All he'd have to do to Austin is lower his shoulder and he'd have a good 5 feet of space to do whatever he wanted.

Whiteman · 12-20-2011, 03:06 PM

Well To be honest, Tay would be on Kobe at that time but I do agree Daye on shooters with average ball handling, that makes sense.

Kstat · 12-20-2011, 03:09 PM

Even in the event that both Austin and Tayshaun are on the floor, I imagine Tayshaun would be playing SG and Austin SF in just about any scenario.

joe servo · 12-20-2011, 05:11 PM

What exactly was the rumor with us and Utah? And, no, re-signing Prince doesn't make any fucking sense, regardless.

Kstat · 12-20-2011, 05:14 PM

It makes sense in that we need a veteran leader on the team if we want them to grow up faster. Tayshaun made sense once we dumped Rip.

It doesn't work to have a whole team of 25 and under guys with no direction. We also don't have any stud SFs behind Tayshaun we need to develop. Austin Daye isn't important enough.

joe servo · 12-20-2011, 05:17 PM

We need a leader to guide us through being terrible? For 4 years?!? Prince has zero leadership skills and no charisma whatsoever. He re-signed with us because we were, stupidly, the only team to offer him 4 freakin' years.

Kstat · 12-20-2011, 06:03 PM

We'll see how that changes now that he's the senior guy in the locker room and not Rip.

Tayshaun was re-signed to be a locker room leader. That was made clear by Joe the day we brought him back. And yes, we DO need someone to do that job if we don't want to get stuck in the lottery for years to come because our guys aren't maturing fast enough. It would be a bonus for someone with experience to show them the ropes.

Yes, we offered him 4 years, but he can still play. He's only 31.

ThaMaestro · 12-21-2011, 10:33 AM

Our best shot blocker weighs 200 pounds and plays on the wings. That's not really all that good.

Ben was walking like an old man yesterday. He still has something, but there's not much left.

Dave Bing · 12-21-2011, 10:49 AM

Ben sure looked tired yesterday.

joe servo · 12-21-2011, 02:47 PM

LOL It's the second game of the pre-season and he needs a rest?

Money23 · 12-21-2011, 03:39 PM

He did have that nice strip on the rookie, though. He might be helpful in bursts.

This forum underrates Daye, IMO. Everyone always expects complete products to trot out immediately unto the floor and play like super star vets. To read some of the criticism, you'd think he was a huge cash FA signing that already played in All Star games somewhere else.

hack · 12-21-2011, 03:43 PM

Ben's value, if he's the Ben we need him to be, will be mostly intangible. Which is fine.

The King · 12-21-2011, 04:34 PM

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think it sucks Tayshaun is coming back. He just reminds me too much of the old guard. He's just going to block Daye, and eventually Singler. The goal better be to trade him, but I have a feeling with Tay's talk about wanting to retire a Piston, that Dumars will be a fat loyal bastard and never trade him.

Kstat · 12-21-2011, 04:37 PM

He's here for a whopping 4 years. If Austin or Singler surpasses him by then, they'll start over him. In the meantime, Prince's locker room presence is necessary for this team to mature.

We're already throwing Monroe and Knight into the fire. Someone needs to be around to hold everything together.

Dave Bing · 12-21-2011, 04:42 PM

Exactly. If Daye or Singler is better than Tay, they will get the minutes. Tay will not block them any more than Ben blocked Monroe.

hack · 12-21-2011, 08:27 PM

Prince signed up for this. He knows his role and he knows the threats to his PT. And geez -- what a crime it would be in this era to get a great player who wants to retire where he started...

12-20-2011, 01:38 AM	#1
FadedMario Water Boy Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Millennium Falcon Posts: 420 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Should we have resigned Prince? Watch this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iio4w...ayer_embedded#! I'm second-guessing the Prince signing. I know Daye has some flaws - but he is still a project with HUGE upside. I would hate for us to trade him to Utah or somewhere and have him become a star there. Knight Stuckey Daye ????? Monroe Prince is 31 and I honestly would have rather had Daye starting this year.

12-20-2011, 02:44 AM	#10
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'd do either deal in a heartbeat. I want help up front for Monroe more than I care about Austin Daye. Last edited by Kstat; 12-20-2011 at 03:32 AM.

12-20-2011, 12:28 PM	#16
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	it's not like we'd be giving up much for him, and he's got a shorter contract than Gordon. Even as a stopgap, it's a good deal. It would help Monroe's development significantly if he had another big man that was able to take some of the offensive workload. Last edited by Kstat; 12-20-2011 at 12:35 PM.

12-20-2011, 02:31 PM	#29
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Daye at the 2 is a problem. He doesn't have the footspeed. Likewise, Jerebko is better defensively at the 3. He's a little light defending the post against bruisers. Knight Stuckey Tay Monroe and Big Ben is probably our best defensive unit. Last edited by Kstat; 12-20-2011 at 02:34 PM.

12-20-2011, 05:14 PM	#39
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	It makes sense in that we need a veteran leader on the team if we want them to grow up faster. Tayshaun made sense once we dumped Rip. It doesn't work to have a whole team of 25 and under guys with no direction. We also don't have any stud SFs behind Tayshaun we need to develop. Austin Daye isn't important enough. Last edited by Kstat; 12-20-2011 at 05:17 PM.

12-20-2011, 01:48 AM	#2
FadedMario Water Boy Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Millennium Falcon Posts: 420 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Also - heard some rumors today that Detroit and Utah are talking (NBA - Twitter). If true, I can almost guarantee Daye will be one of the guys getting moved if a trade goes down. I'm not ready to give up on this kid.

12-20-2011, 02:06 AM	#3
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Really depends what we get in return. If Favors is included, I'll drive date to the airport myself.

12-20-2011, 02:15 AM	#5
King Mob Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,448 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	The only thing that video is evidence of is that Daye has accumulated 5 minutes worth of made shots over his 2 year career. You could put together a sizzle real for any player in the NBA. I don't understand the purpose of presenting it as if it's a convincing argument, you could just as easily make a 5 minute video of Daye's bricked shots and bone-headed plays. Trading Daye does not equal giving up on him. But if it nets us a quality big I would do it in the hottest of seconds, myself. Favors for Daye+? Yes, please. And it has the added benefit of squelching a season full of Mason screeching "Knight and Daye!"

12-20-2011, 02:19 AM	#7
Orwellian O. Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,819 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I would like Daye to get some big minutes this year. I'm hoping he can back up Tay and pick up some minutes at PF.

12-20-2011, 02:21 AM	#8
King Mob Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,448 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I don't see how we can match Jefferson's contract, unless the deal is for BG. Millsap would be less difficult to match, although he's less exciting than Favors. If it's for Memo I'll puke. If BG get's dealt for a big I'd be ecstatic. No knock on his game; $11 million is just way too much to pay him to come off the bench.

12-20-2011, 05:51 AM	#11
papalawrence Water Boy Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 859 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	AD is a unique talent and I would love to see if he can emerge......but I have a gut feeling he will never be more than some instant offense who will have hot streaks and be inconsistent at times. I don't live in Michigan and do not get to see him play enough to have a strong opinion though. If/when the Pistons return to contention I would see him as a nice piece, but replaceable. Getting a vet big (or, yeah, Favors would be best) next to Monroe would be more beneficial. I just don't want Joe to get the Pistons locked into any more long term mediocre deals. How long are Jefferson and Millsap's deals?

12-20-2011, 07:15 AM	#12
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Both Millsap and Jefferson are under contract until 2013, 1 year less than CV31 and Gordon.

12-20-2011, 08:56 AM	#13
Lou Stefanic Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,576 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Gordon would make a lot of sense next to Harris, who is a pretty awful shooter. Jefferson is only 26 and he's a helluva scorer and shotblocker, just not a great defender. We'd probably still be in line for a top ten pick in the draft. A line-up of Knight, Stuckey, Tay, Jefferson, and Monroe would be pretty fun to watch. We'd obviously need either a defensive big or a superstar-type swingman in the draft, but at least we'd have low post scoring sewn up.

12-20-2011, 12:04 PM	#14
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Jefferson is only 26 and he's a helluva scorer and shotblocker, just not a great defender. We'd probably still be in line for a top ten pick in the draft. Sounds a bit have cake/eat it too. If the addition of Jefferson doesn't make us a playoff team, than a middling lottery pick added to him and the current core shouldn't excite anyone.

12-20-2011, 12:07 PM	#15
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	That said, I'm all for moving Daye and or Gordon but not for Jefferson. 26 and supposedly an elite inside scorer and rebounder but who has been given up on by 3 teams, never been on a winner, has an injury history, and a terrible contract. Not touching that; no way.

12-20-2011, 12:46 PM	#17
B.I.G. Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 846 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	If we somehow get Favors in a deal, I'm all for trying to make the playoffs this season, if not,,tank, tank, tank

12-20-2011, 01:03 PM	#18
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'm more worried about the physical pounding Monroe will take than our W/L record, if he's getting double teamed in the paint every trip down.

12-20-2011, 01:10 PM	#19
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	are you suggesting that Maxy does not provide adequate protection? how dare you?

12-20-2011, 01:12 PM	#20
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	He's got some long wings...

12-20-2011, 01:27 PM	#21
King Mob Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,448 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	BG and CV sitting out tonight for personal reasons. I've decided to believe it's for personnel reasons.

12-20-2011, 01:32 PM	#22
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	We wish. Okafor! Jefferson! Someone!

12-20-2011, 02:10 PM	#23
FadedMario Water Boy Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Millennium Falcon Posts: 420 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Would be nuts if we unload CV and BG. Joe D might save his future.

12-20-2011, 02:11 PM	#25
FadedMario Water Boy Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Millennium Falcon Posts: 420 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	vgoodwill Vincent Goodwill Daye, Knight, Tay, Monroe and Jonas starting tonight #Pistons

12-20-2011, 02:12 PM	#26
FadedMario Water Boy Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Millennium Falcon Posts: 420 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	vgoodwill Vincent Goodwill umm, no RT @rmdub "personal reasons" is code for trade, right? #pipedream

12-20-2011, 02:28 PM	#28
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Knight Daye Tay JJ and Monroe is probably our best defensive team. I like Daye at the 2 to use his length. He can back away 3 feet and still block a shot.

12-20-2011, 02:36 PM	#31
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I think Daye can get away with his length. Hell, 3 feet away he can still bother a shot. His length is his best attribute on defense. Yes Stuckey is quicker but when he has to face the taller shooting guards, he gets exposed just as much as Daye does with quicker gaurds. So with Daye's Length thats all im saying.

12-20-2011, 02:39 PM	#32
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	He can get away with it at the 3. At the 2, he's toast in transition. And Stuckey is stronger than most 2-guards and hard to post up. He also has very quick hands and creates a lot of turnovers. He rarely gets "exposed."

12-20-2011, 02:41 PM	#33
Billl Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,382 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Daye isn't going to be our starting 2 guard, so there really isn't anything to worry about.

12-20-2011, 02:47 PM	#34
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Well obviously we are not going to play the best defensive match up all game. I like Daye at the 2 when we need a stop based on the match up. His length on a tough match up to give the opposing guard different looks. But Daye could also punish his much shorter defender on offense. On Wade I like Stuckey there, on Kobe I like Daye there.

12-20-2011, 03:06 PM	#36
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Well To be honest, Tay would be on Kobe at that time but I do agree Daye on shooters with average ball handling, that makes sense.

12-20-2011, 03:09 PM	#37
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Even in the event that both Austin and Tayshaun are on the floor, I imagine Tayshaun would be playing SG and Austin SF in just about any scenario.

12-20-2011, 05:11 PM	#38
joe servo Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Westland in da house! Posts: 1,241 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	What exactly was the rumor with us and Utah? And, no, re-signing Prince doesn't make any fucking sense, regardless.

12-20-2011, 05:17 PM	#40
joe servo Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Westland in da house! Posts: 1,241 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	We need a leader to guide us through being terrible? For 4 years?!? Prince has zero leadership skills and no charisma whatsoever. He re-signed with us because we were, stupidly, the only team to offer him 4 freakin' years.

12-20-2011, 06:03 PM	#41
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	We'll see how that changes now that he's the senior guy in the locker room and not Rip. Tayshaun was re-signed to be a locker room leader. That was made clear by Joe the day we brought him back. And yes, we DO need someone to do that job if we don't want to get stuck in the lottery for years to come because our guys aren't maturing fast enough. It would be a bonus for someone with experience to show them the ropes. Yes, we offered him 4 years, but he can still play. He's only 31. Last edited by Kstat; 12-20-2011 at 06:06 PM.

12-21-2011, 10:33 AM	#42
ThaMaestro Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flinttown Representin' Posts: 1,394 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Our best shot blocker weighs 200 pounds and plays on the wings. That's not really all that good. Ben was walking like an old man yesterday. He still has something, but there's not much left.