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| Water Boy | ![]() DeMarcus Cousins has formally requested a trade and has been directed not to attend tonight’s game against the Hornets. Kings coach Paul Westphal released the following statement: “Whenever a new season begins, in any sport, there is great hope that everything will progress in only a steady, upward direction. As we all know, it seldom happens like that in this life! “As coaches, we can only ask that our players do everything they can to improve themselves as individuals and teammates. If they do this with all their hearts, we live with the results. “Everything that happens on a team does not become known to the public. This is how it should be. However, when a player continually, aggressively, lets it be known that he is unwilling/unable to embrace traveling in the same direction as his team, it cannot be ignored indefinitely. “DeMarcus Cousins has demanded to be traded. In the best interest of our team as we go forward, he has been directed by me, with the support of management, to stay home from the New Orleans game tonight.” Via NBA.com Would you offer our 2012 1st and Maxiell for Cousins? Knight/Stuckey/Bynum Gordon/Stuckey Prince/Jerebko/Daye/Singler Monroe/Jerebko/Villanueva Cousins/Wallace/Macklin Our future lineup would look like this |
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| Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Westland in da house!
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| Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Westland in da house!
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| Sixth Man | Cousins is young, he'll probably settle down in a few years, tons of talent there, but I can't see anything the Pistons being good trade partners for the Kings. |
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