GAME THREAD 1/10 vs Dallas: More turnovers, and the Mavs have us for dessert

Kstat · 01-10-2012, 07:54 PM

5 minutes in, Dallas leads 15-4.

The Pistons have attempted TWO SHOTS.

They have turned it over 7 times in the first 9 possessions.

The King · 01-10-2012, 08:05 PM

There's the team we have been expecting! Keep it up, boys.

TJPiston · 01-10-2012, 08:30 PM

We have 3 rebounds. 3.

hack · 01-10-2012, 08:36 PM

Glad Knight's making his 3s. Should help keep his confidence up as he struggles in other phases.

Hobbs · 01-10-2012, 08:40 PM

Amazing we're only down 14 at the half. Dallas' starters basically only missed when they were dunking, we turned the ball over like 35 times in a row, and we were outrebounded by a pre-k kid sitting near the basket.

rpmfla · 01-10-2012, 08:49 PM

What is there to rebound when the other team shoots that well? It all works together...unlike the Pistons right now.

Kstat · 01-10-2012, 08:53 PM

It doesn't necessarily tie together. We have only 2 offensive rebounds on our end as well.

papalawrence · 01-10-2012, 09:04 PM

So far Knight has zero dimes and 6 TO's.

Kstat · 01-10-2012, 09:10 PM

Not all of them have been his fault, Our whole team has 9 assists and 14 turnovers.

%80 of our team can't create shoot or post up. Knight has nobody to pass to other than Gordon and Monroe, and both of those guys are swarmed on every play.

This team as currently constructed is a joke. They play hard, but they are too small, too nonathletic, and not skilled or fast enough to make up for all of their deficiencies.

Watching Dallas mercilessly post up Jonas and Gordon time and time again and score literally every time is sad. At least the Gordon problem is temporary until Stuckey gets back. Jonas is just awful defending the paint, and we have no other alternative.

B.I.G. · 01-10-2012, 09:14 PM

Fore some reason, The Pistons will have the worse record in the league and still end up with the #4 pick...smh

Kstat · 01-10-2012, 09:16 PM

Even if we're going to keep losing, this can't go on. We can't keep getting demolished like this every game. Monroe and Knight do not need this level of abuse.

A possible solution would be to start Maxiell at PF, move Jonas to SF and Tayshaun to SG. We'd still have issues scoring, but at least we wouldn't get manhandled in the post like little kids.

B.I.G. · 01-10-2012, 09:17 PM

Stuckey may be worth that 8 million after all

hack · 01-10-2012, 09:31 PM

%80 of our team can't create shoot or post up.

Well no kidding! That's why you have centers and PGs. Those are mostly their jobs. Knight's passing the ball within the offense but he's not really looking to set anybody up all that much.

Kstat · 01-10-2012, 09:32 PM

Austin still can't shoot.

0-10 now from 3-point range on the season.

9-42 from the field overall.

Kstat · 01-10-2012, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hack

%80 of our team can't create shoot or post up.

Well no kidding! That's why you have centers and PGs. Those are mostly their jobs. Knight's passing the ball within the offense but he's not really looking to set anybody up all that much.

there's not much he can do to force the issue. Every team we play packs in the paint. There is zero room to drive.

hack · 01-10-2012, 09:39 PM

He just drove and didn't look to pass.

Kstat · 01-10-2012, 09:40 PM

...because there's nobody to pass to! Nobody on the floor with him can make an open shot!

hack · 01-10-2012, 09:49 PM

When I said he's not looking to set people up you said teams pack the paint. And then he penetrated anyways, mooting your excuse, and still didn't look to dish.

Jeff Hause · 01-10-2012, 10:10 PM

Kstat says we don't need shooters -- we're winning with defense!

Stefan S · 01-10-2012, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Hause

Kstat says we don't need shooters -- we're winning with defense!

Come on! he has already clarified what he really meant.

Mel Kiper Jr · 01-10-2012, 10:30 PM

K Stat...you edited 4 out of 8 posts in this thread. You are the Austin Daye of this forum.

Mel Kiper Jr · 01-10-2012, 10:32 PM

So...does anyone believe me now when I say that our roster has gotten worse every year after our championship? (Although the year after our record was better.)

Kstat · 01-10-2012, 10:45 PM

Not every single year, no. The 2008 team was an improvement.

whoDean · 01-10-2012, 10:57 PM

Jerebko isn't a starter on a good team, 15 minute per game backup. He can't defend PFs or SFs. A piece but a small piece, overrated by the team and fans. Daye is trash.

Monroe and Knight are the young promising players here, with Stuckey.

Orwellian O. · 01-10-2012, 11:28 PM

This team is OK, just not having Stuckey is tough at the moment. He is the best PG and SG on the team at the moment (not half bad at SF either).

One has to hope that Daye gets it going at some point. The SF position is really a black hole at the moment.

ghandi · 01-10-2012, 11:50 PM

" The SF position is really a black hole at the moment."

And its usually the easiest one to find players

Kstat · 01-11-2012, 12:08 AM

Jonas I think can defend SF much better than PF. He still has issues following people off the ball, but at least he has a physical advantage.

Orwellian O. · 01-11-2012, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kstat

Jonas I think can defend SF much better than PF. He still has issues following people off the ball, but at least he has a physical advantage.

That is where Daye could be a big help if he would step up. He should be able to play PF even though he is lighter than ever. He certainly can't be any worse in the paint than Jonas. However, if his shot isn't going in, I guess you might as well play Wallace or Macklin at PF.

Hopefully Daye comes back energized from both his injury and the doghouse.

Kstat · 01-11-2012, 02:05 AM

Daye can't defend either spot. He's got Jonas's problems times 100 at both positions.

detroitsportsfan · 01-11-2012, 12:16 PM

Could the Pistons have gotten even worse from the previous 2 seasons? Is that possible?

Mel Kiper Jr · 01-11-2012, 12:37 PM

Signing Prince is looking like a bad mistake. His fg percentage is 36% this season and he is only averaging 3 rebounds per game.

ghandi · 01-11-2012, 12:47 PM

They really need Tayshaun to step it up offensively too and he just isn't.....If he finishes the season with the numbers he has now he will have almost zero trade value after the season......

DYNOMITE · 01-11-2012, 01:58 PM

Tay is a movable asset.

Trust in Joe!!!!!!!!!!

The King · 01-11-2012, 05:47 PM

What trust? He hasn't done anything. He just sits on his fat ass in the ivory tower.

Whiteman · 01-11-2012, 06:04 PM

DYNOMITE is joking. Every Pistons fan wants him out now. Its about what have you done for me lately kind of business. Every home game has more holes in the stands then the moon.

RodimusPrime · 01-11-2012, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detroitsportsfan

Could the Pistons have gotten even worse from the previous 2 seasons? Is that possible?

Yes. Mcgrady was the best we had at running the offense. He gone. Now that Rip is gone we have a midget backcourt (Stuckey is the only guard we have over 6'3"). Tay is a year older and not playing for a contract. Hell we even miss Wilcox because of how undersized our front court is. This roster is brutal.

Mel Kiper Jr · 01-11-2012, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RodimusPrime

Yes. Mcgrady was the best we had at running the offense. He gone. Now that Rip is gone we have a midget backcourt (Stuckey is the only guard we have over 6'3"). Tay is a year older and not playing for a contract. Hell we even miss Wilcox because of how undersized our front court is. This roster is brutal.

I think it's going to take years to straighten out unfortunately. IF you added Lebron James to this team, they still probably don't make the playoffs.

whoDean · 01-12-2012, 09:43 AM

Lebron on this team is better than most of his Cavs teams, but yes, this team is very very bad.

B.I.G. · 01-12-2012, 03:07 PM

We WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. according to Mr. Krispy Kreme

El Axe · 01-12-2012, 11:50 PM

This wasn't brought up in the thread, but it was funny news.

The original story and video:
Video: Two fans sit on Mavericks' bench during Pistons game | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

Apparently, the real story:

Full-Court Press: Carter said Detroit fans were not on the Mavs' bench

Mel Kiper Jr · 01-13-2012, 10:57 AM

That guy was interviewed by ESPN. Carter was on the other side of 2 fans...then there was Delonte West and the rest of the Mavs players.

Jeff Hause · 01-13-2012, 01:16 PM

Wow. The Mavs bench draws more people in the Palace than the Pistons.

01-10-2012, 07:54 PM	#1
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	GAME THREAD 1/10 vs Dallas: More turnovers, and the Mavs have us for dessert 5 minutes in, Dallas leads 15-4. The Pistons have attempted TWO SHOTS. They have turned it over 7 times in the first 9 possessions.

01-10-2012, 09:10 PM	#9
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Not all of them have been his fault, Our whole team has 9 assists and 14 turnovers. %80 of our team can't create shoot or post up. Knight has nobody to pass to other than Gordon and Monroe, and both of those guys are swarmed on every play. This team as currently constructed is a joke. They play hard, but they are too small, too nonathletic, and not skilled or fast enough to make up for all of their deficiencies. Watching Dallas mercilessly post up Jonas and Gordon time and time again and score literally every time is sad. At least the Gordon problem is temporary until Stuckey gets back. Jonas is just awful defending the paint, and we have no other alternative. Last edited by Kstat; 01-10-2012 at 09:13 PM.

01-10-2012, 09:32 PM	#14
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Austin still can't shoot. 0-10 now from 3-point range on the season. 9-42 from the field overall. Last edited by Kstat; 01-10-2012 at 09:35 PM.

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01-10-2012, 08:05 PM	#2
The King Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,900 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	There's the team we have been expecting! Keep it up, boys.

01-10-2012, 08:30 PM	#3
TJPiston Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,636 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	We have 3 rebounds. 3.

01-10-2012, 08:36 PM	#4
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Glad Knight's making his 3s. Should help keep his confidence up as he struggles in other phases.

01-10-2012, 08:40 PM	#5
Hobbs Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,006 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Amazing we're only down 14 at the half. Dallas' starters basically only missed when they were dunking, we turned the ball over like 35 times in a row, and we were outrebounded by a pre-k kid sitting near the basket.

01-10-2012, 08:49 PM	#6
rpmfla Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 384 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	What is there to rebound when the other team shoots that well? It all works together...unlike the Pistons right now.

01-10-2012, 08:53 PM	#7
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	It doesn't necessarily tie together. We have only 2 offensive rebounds on our end as well.

01-10-2012, 09:04 PM	#8
papalawrence Water Boy Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 859 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	So far Knight has zero dimes and 6 TO's.

01-10-2012, 09:14 PM	#10
B.I.G. Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 846 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	Fore some reason, The Pistons will have the worse record in the league and still end up with the #4 pick...smh

01-10-2012, 09:16 PM	#11
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Even if we're going to keep losing, this can't go on. We can't keep getting demolished like this every game. Monroe and Knight do not need this level of abuse. A possible solution would be to start Maxiell at PF, move Jonas to SF and Tayshaun to SG. We'd still have issues scoring, but at least we wouldn't get manhandled in the post like little kids.

01-10-2012, 09:17 PM	#12
B.I.G. Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 846 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	Stuckey may be worth that 8 million after all

01-10-2012, 09:31 PM	#13
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	%80 of our team can't create shoot or post up. Well no kidding! That's why you have centers and PGs. Those are mostly their jobs. Knight's passing the ball within the offense but he's not really looking to set anybody up all that much.

01-10-2012, 09:39 PM	#16
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	He just drove and didn't look to pass.

01-10-2012, 09:40 PM	#17
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	...because there's nobody to pass to! Nobody on the floor with him can make an open shot!

01-10-2012, 09:49 PM	#18
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	When I said he's not looking to set people up you said teams pack the paint. And then he penetrated anyways, mooting your excuse, and still didn't look to dish.

01-10-2012, 10:10 PM	#19
Jeff Hause Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,712 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Kstat says we don't need shooters -- we're winning with defense!

01-10-2012, 10:30 PM	#21
Mel Kiper Jr Bench Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,349 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	K Stat...you edited 4 out of 8 posts in this thread. You are the Austin Daye of this forum.

01-10-2012, 10:32 PM	#22
Mel Kiper Jr Bench Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,349 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	So...does anyone believe me now when I say that our roster has gotten worse every year after our championship? (Although the year after our record was better.)

01-10-2012, 10:45 PM	#23
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Not every single year, no. The 2008 team was an improvement.

01-10-2012, 10:57 PM	#24
whoDean Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,955 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Jerebko isn't a starter on a good team, 15 minute per game backup. He can't defend PFs or SFs. A piece but a small piece, overrated by the team and fans. Daye is trash. Monroe and Knight are the young promising players here, with Stuckey.

01-10-2012, 11:28 PM	#25
Orwellian O. Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,819 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	This team is OK, just not having Stuckey is tough at the moment. He is the best PG and SG on the team at the moment (not half bad at SF either). One has to hope that Daye gets it going at some point. The SF position is really a black hole at the moment.

01-10-2012, 11:50 PM	#26
ghandi Water Boy Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 878 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	" The SF position is really a black hole at the moment." And its usually the easiest one to find players

01-11-2012, 12:08 AM	#27
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Jonas I think can defend SF much better than PF. He still has issues following people off the ball, but at least he has a physical advantage.

01-11-2012, 02:05 AM	#29
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Daye can't defend either spot. He's got Jonas's problems times 100 at both positions.

01-11-2012, 12:16 PM	#30
detroitsportsfan Bench Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,511 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Could the Pistons have gotten even worse from the previous 2 seasons? Is that possible?

01-11-2012, 12:37 PM	#31
Mel Kiper Jr Bench Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,349 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Signing Prince is looking like a bad mistake. His fg percentage is 36% this season and he is only averaging 3 rebounds per game.

01-11-2012, 12:47 PM	#32
ghandi Water Boy Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 878 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	They really need Tayshaun to step it up offensively too and he just isn't.....If he finishes the season with the numbers he has now he will have almost zero trade value after the season......

01-11-2012, 01:58 PM	#33
DYNOMITE Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,804 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Tay is a movable asset. Trust in Joe!!!!!!!!!!

01-11-2012, 05:47 PM	#34
The King Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,900 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	What trust? He hasn't done anything. He just sits on his fat ass in the ivory tower.

01-11-2012, 06:04 PM	#35
Whiteman Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,666 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	DYNOMITE is joking. Every Pistons fan wants him out now. Its about what have you done for me lately kind of business. Every home game has more holes in the stands then the moon.

01-12-2012, 09:43 AM	#38
whoDean Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,955 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Lebron on this team is better than most of his Cavs teams, but yes, this team is very very bad.