[Kstat]

GSW got crushed last night by the same bobcats team we crushed on friday. Steph Curry is still hurting, and Monta Ellis is in full out-of-control gunner mode.

Dare I say, this is one we should win.

[Hobbs]

I was reading the GSW forum on realgm and they've got a gigantic thread about the Udoh vs Monroe pick and there's still a sizable group that is defending the Udoh pick. Baffling.

Winnable game, but nothing is a gimme for us.

[Kstat]

how long did it take us to stop defending darko?

[Hobbs]

Darko wasn't 25. Unless Udoh was immediately an impact guy they made the wrong choice as they went for "ready" over potential.

[Hobbs]

BTW, Darko is currently in his 9th NBA season. Amazing. Such a long time ago.
Udoh is in his second season. He's 2 years younger than Darko.

[Kstat]

Neither were Wade, Bosh or Carmelo.

I'm not defending the Udoh pick. I thought it was a horrible decision the second they made it, and I think it might go down as one of the biggest draft-day breaks in Pistons history. I'm just saying the Darko pick wasn't any more defensible, in hindsight. Darko was only a year younger than Melo and Bosh, so it's not as if it was even arguable from a youth standpoint.

[Hobbs]

Then you're wrong, again.

Darko was absolutely a 100% failure as a pick. No question there.

But he was a defensible pick (he was the consensus number 2 player, he was the youngest guy with the most "potential," he was etc., etc.). Udoh was considered a reach by everyone except those in GSW's front office and he was much older than the immediately comparable players. The only thing he had going for him was that he was "ready" (and that was clearly false just a year after his pick--while all the positives for Darko still existed for a couple years after his pick given his youth) and that he was a great defender (he isn't, but I suppose this is still a debatable point).

[Kstat]

public perception shouldn't be the difference between defensible and indefensible.

[Hobbs]

Other than the definition of the words, yeah, ok.

Anyway, hopefully Knight and Moose keep on improving tonight.

[Hobbs]

Ellis is a mistake just dying to happen. If there is a bad decision to make, he'll make it.

[Hobbs]

The Max and Stuck Suck Show has us down 5 after the first quarter.

[zdwtr]

we were up. flow was good. then Max came. He shot the ball. bricked. He couldnt handle Monroe pass. He couldnt help Prince when he felt fighting for loose ball. He couldn't guard Lee. He attacked the rim out of control. He rebound and tried to dunk and you know what happened. The guy belongs in the NBA Developmental League.

[Jeff Hause]

This is some baaaaaaaaaaaaad basketball...

[zdwtr]

Get Max out pleeeease

[zdwtr]

Max and Bynum are two players who have problem understanding their role in the team. Max should learn from Ben and Rodman. 100% Defense. 0% looking for a chance to score

[Hobbs]

We need Stuckey to post more. Even against taller players. He's fairly good at it and it opens up the floor.

[zdwtr]

Max out. We're back

[Hobbs]

We're actually a good post up team. Monroe is turning into a great post player (scoring and passing) and I think Stuckey can be a force down there too. Throw in an occasional Tay post up too. That should become more of a staple for us.

We were also shredding GSW when they went zone.

[mn3]

Impressions from tonight's game, so far:

Monroe continues to be the best player on the floor for either team. We can say that quite a bit this season. Him improvement over last season is a bit hard to believe. He's become a great player, and he's still got a lot of development to go.

Knight does a lot out on the court. I love how he defends even the fastest guards. Obviously, he's a rookie and he will make a lot of mistakes this year.

Maxiell- ugh. I'm not sure why he's in any NBA rotation. He's should be an occassional fill-in 5-10 minute a night, maximum, guy.

Daye is painful to watch. I sure hope he gets his confidence back, and quick.

[FadedMario]

Monroe = Beast

[Stefan S]

Originally Posted by Hobbs

We're actually a good post up team. Monroe is turning into a great post player (scoring and passing) and I think Stuckey can be a force down there too. Throw in an occasional Tay post up too. That should become more of a staple for us.

We were also shredding GSW when they went zone.

He is also very consistent about it.
It happens every game.

In fact, in term of our offensive inside game, we may already be better than our last championship team.

[mn3]

The thing about Monroe is how mature he looks out on the court. He's showing off incredible skill, and, unlike most young skilled players, he's really consistent in his play. I guess he can get better on offense, but I'm not exactly clear what anyone would say about something he needs to work on at that end of the court. He's doing this against guys thought to be really fine defensive centers - Bogut and Bierdens.

How great is it to have a low post center that commands a double team, and who is such a strong and willing passer?

[FadedMario]

Monroe is honestly getting better every game. His upside is off the charts right now. I also honestly think he is our future center going forward (not PF like some people see him better at. I bet we draft an athletic PF to pair with him and he will remain our center going forward.

[mn3]

Some nice D by GS and a lousy stretch for us (Monroe missing a few shots, and Tay and BG turning the ball over and missing shots) and GS is right back in the lead.

I sure hate watching Tay on this team - but until someone earns some minutes at SF (hear that Daye???), we've got no choice but to play him.

[mn3]

I just hate watching Tay on the court for us.

[zdwtr]

Going to Tay instead of Moose on offense is a minus

[Hobbs]

Tay is actually having a decent game.

He's at 50% and has been fine on the boards.

[Kaffey]

Greg is getting lots of love from the refs tonight.

[mn3]

Daye is coming back in. The Pistons really need to feed him and make sure he shoots. Shooters shoot their way out of slumps.

We really need this kid to start playing well.

[mn3]

... and Daye doesn't t0uch the ball a single time. Gross.

[Hobbs]

Total coaching fuckup at the end of the 3rd quarter. We had time to push it for a shot and make it a 2-1. Instead we dicked around and threw up a crap shot and let GS get the basket to end the quarter (and, of course, they get it first in the 4th).

[mn3]

Stuckey is having a lousy shooting game (again).

[Hobbs]

Daye is just done. He's not even coming close on the shots. He needs to sit for a week or go to another team or something. He isn't going to shoot himself out of the slump. I think it's beyond that now.

[Jeff Hause]

David Lee is 10-12 fg. How are the Golden State Warriors killing us down low on the second game of a back-to-back? THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS...

[mn3]

Daye is 0 for, again. He just needs to hit a couple. This is insane - he's too great a shooter.

[Stefan S]

total loss of confidence

[Jeff Hause]

How long does he have to go 0-fer until he ISN'T a great shooter?

[Hobbs]

Our bench is 3-18 from the floor.

[RodimusPrime]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hause

How long does he have to go 0-fer until he ISN'T a great shooter?

When he starts playing for another team.

[mn3]

Daye IS a great shooter. That's the one thing about his game which everyone agrees on.

And we're getting killed down low because we're a tiny team, which starts Ben "No Rebounds" Gordon, and Tay "No Rebounds" Prince.

[Jeff Hause]

The Warriors are shooting 54% on tired legs. This is bad. This looks like a game from last year...

[Stefan S]

the 4th q is painful to watch
we play pathetically ugly

[mn3]

I'm looking forward to the day when the Pistons have another great big man to pair with Monroe, and we have a really athletic great rebounding SF instead of Tay, and JJ can be a great all-purpose athletic forward off the bench.

Right now, this is so damn hard to watch sometimes.

[RodimusPrime]

Originally Posted by mn3

Daye IS a great shooter. That's the one thing about his game which everyone agrees on.

Apparently Daye disagrees.

[Jeff Hause]

Hey! He made a put-back...

A shot and a rebound in one play, doubling his totals!

[Jeff Hause]

That three would have been nice...

[Kstat]

I'm not sure which player killed us worse tonight, Austin or Jonas.

They both suck terribly.

[Stefan S]

BG with the second big miss

still, he has to take those open long shots

[Kstat]

This team is painful to watch when Monroe isn't on the floor. They have no clue offensively.

[Jeff Hause]

There the GS defense that I'm used to!