[mn3]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hause

He and Wall are a lot alike. Knight's not as talented as Wall--but hopefully he's smarter. Both are probably running a team too soon if you're looking for consistency...

Agreed, although I'd amend that to Wall is more talented athletically than Knight (Wall's an elite athlete, Knight's just a great athlete), and that Knight is a better shooter than Wall right now. Knight's shot isn't consistent yet, but Wall is awful in that area.

[rpmfla]

Originally Posted by Hobbs

I'm not certain we're lucky to have Knight yet. He's shown flashes, but he's also shown (what is the opposite of flashes?) too. He makes a great many of the worst turnovers you will ever see. His shot selection is at times horrific. He hasn't exactly lit up the assist column. And so on.

We'll see.

I think the tendency is for fans to look at a first year player's "flashes" and assume that once he matures as a player those flashes will increase to become the norm.

I hope that is the case for Knight because it has been a very long time since we have had a great PG.

Another aspect of his game that I have noticed marked improvement is rebounding. I see him out hustling and out jumping everyone for rebounds. He can really get up. I think with his work ethic and his intelligence added to his athleticism he could be a special player.

[tin mad dog]

I went to Katz's today.

I asked if they had a Georgia Rueben and the girl looked at me like I was crazy. I explained what I meant and all was good. Pricey, but good.

[mn3]

Originally Posted by tin mad dog

I went to Katz's today.

I love great Pastrami.

[Stefan S]

Originally Posted by tin mad dog

I went to Katz's today.

I asked if they had a Georgia Rueben and the girl looked at me like I was crazy. I explained what I meant and all was good. Pricey, but good.

I'd say, tasteful.

Good? I'm not so sure.

[Jeff Hause]

Have you tried the Carnegie Deli? That's my favorite...

[mn3]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hause

Have you tried the Carnegie Deli? That's my favorite...

The size of their sandwiches are obscene. My wife was appalled, and thought it would be easier to ski down the sandwich than to eat it.

[Jeff Hause]

It is kind of creepy to have of photo of Liza or Abe Vigoda staring at you while you eat five pounds of meat...

[mn3]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hause

It is kind of creepy to have of photo of Liza or Abe Vigoda staring at you while you eat five pounds of meat...

Heh. We split one sandwich - and then when we saw how much meat was on it, we actually asked for another six pieces of rye bread and turned it into four stuffed sandwiches. It's really unbelievable how much meat they give you there.

It's really good Pastrami, too. But we prefered Ben's (a few blocks south of Times Square). Not as touristy. Actually, that goes without saying since it's a true Kosher deli. Carnegie isn't.

[Stefan S]

Originally Posted by mn3

Heh. We split one sandwich - and then when we saw how much meat was on it, we actually asked for another six pieces of rye bread and turned it into four stuffed sandwiches. It's really unbelievable how much meat they give you there.

It's really good Pastrami, too. But we prefered Ben's (a few blocks south of Times Square). Not as touristy. Actually, that goes without saying since it's a true Kosher deli. Carnegie isn't.

It helps to have a dog or two



(btw, that's how this guy ^^^
stays in shape, by running with his dogs (and maybe feeding them some leftovers). )

[Jeff Hause]

Originally Posted by mn3

Heh. We split one sandwich - and then when we saw how much meat was on it, we actually asked for another six pieces of rye bread and turned it into four stuffed sandwiches. It's really unbelievable how much meat they give you there.

It's really good Pastrami, too. But we prefered Ben's (a few blocks south of Times Square). Not as touristy. Actually, that goes without saying since it's a true Kosher deli. Carnegie isn't.

I also like Carnegie because they shot "Broadway Danny Rose" there. Love that movie...

[hack]

IIRC the Stage is also in the conversation. Carnegie can be a bit dry, IMO.

[tin mad dog]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hause

Have you tried the Carnegie Deli? That's my favorite...

I think I ate there about 20 years ago. I remember being a little disappointed. I suppose it could've been another place but I know it was one of the famous ones.

I think Zingerman's is on par or better than Katz's (but I had turkey and I suppose that is not what they are known for). Better bread at the Zing and actually a smidge cheaper. I still enjoyed Katz's and I liked their atmosphere. I would go there again for sure.

[hack]

Zingerman's is for sure on par, IMO, though you don't get as much mueat. Those guys are an amazing story, and the Zingermans empire is expanding. Muchos kudos. It's been a revelation to think about deli outside of NYC.

[tin mad dog]

Paul Saginaw (and family) lived across the street from me for a few years in the 80's. I think they moved to a bigger house around 90. I'm not even sure if he's still one of the owners. I went to school with one of the Border's kids as well.

[whoDean]

Originally Posted by mn3

I sure thought we hit the gold-mine when we drafted Amir.

And Samb and Plasted and every other scrub that washed down the drain here.

[whoDean]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hause

Have you tried the Carnegie Deli? That's my favorite...

Carnegie has a location inside one of the casinos in Vegas now, surely not the same vibe but the food was actually pretty good.

[tin mad dog]

I think Zingerman's sandwiches (at least the full) are as fat as the one I had today. Maybe not on a Carnegie level. I'll have to find out what they are all about.

It's kind of sad. I really haven't experienced the city as much as I probably should. I've been living in Brooklyn most of the time I've been out here and often lay low and catch up on rest on my days off.

I haven't been to MSG, any kind of play, museum or zoo. No Coney Island.

I've been to quite a few bars though and ate at a really expensive Italian joint last weekend.

[whoDean]

I'm partial to The Village.

[Stefan S]

Maybe it's just me, but I think the tread-deadline and delectables is a perfect combo.



("Doug Collin with his case of diet coke, that crap only leads you to trading for minor pieces.
I'm all for delectables...")

[The King]

Knight is still very young. He's on a shitty team without a lot of help around. I love that he's been thrown into the fire. That's what he needed. He's making a lot of mistakes, but he's learning. By all reports, he's always the first guy at the gym and the last guy to leave. Give him a full training camp, normal paced season and add some talent to the team and he could improve quite a bit next year.

[The King]

As for his floor, I think it's a Jason Terry role off the bench. That's worst case, but even that is a very good player. Best case he is an All-Star level PG.

[tin mad dog]

Originally Posted by Stefan S

Maybe it's just me, but I think the tread-deadline and delectables is a perfect combo.
[/I])

There will me more food talk than Pistons trade rumors, I am guessing.

[Jangul]

I think Knight's floor is Lindsey Hunter, and his ceiling is Tony Parker.

[hack]

On some nights Chris Herren's floor might as well be his ceiling.

[Jeff Hause]

Eyew... Just imagine what Chris Herren's floor looks like...

[Mel Kiper Jr]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hause

Eyew... Just imagine what Chris Herren's floor looks like...

They did a show on ESPN about how he turned his life around. He nearly died from his addiction. He now goes around and speaks about it.

Ironically, had he stayed in Denver he would have probably been ok. He got traded to the Celtics which was his hometown team and was around all of the problem people from his life.

In Denver, he talked about how McDyess and Van Excel took him under their wings and kept him clean.

[Mel Kiper Jr]

Originally Posted by alias gym rat

Sorry Hobbs, It was Kiper's post (#82) ...I admit it....his words made no sense to me.
Maybe I should have asked Kiper; what has B. Knight done so strenuously that he needs more rest but Monroe (who, while playing a power game, has to cover twice the distance on the court per game and has to try to go fast so as to keep up with the guard who only runs from the 3 pt. line to the 3 pt. line) won't get tired because he lacks athleticism?
As for the "tense" comment....you sound like my teenage son. (!)

Jump shooters tend to miss more when their legs get tired. That's all I meant.

Monroe has a game that should last for years and years. It's also probably suited for playing this condensed schedule in that he doesn't rely on dunking over people. Being tired will probably have no diminishing impact on his skills.

For a PG that runs and offense and shoots a decent amount, it probably does. You often hear about rookies hitting "the wall". Knight may have already hit that. A lot of that has to do with them playing around 30 games in college and the NBA being 82 games (normally). The multiple games with no rest contributes this season too.

[El Axe]

Originally Posted by tin mad dog

I went to Katz's today.

I asked if they had a Georgia Rueben and the girl looked at me like I was crazy. I explained what I meant and all was good. Pricey, but good.

Katz' is definitely known for their pastrami and corned beef. I rarely eat beef, but I made the exception for Katz. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about that being their main goal.

I love Zingerman's as well, but they're different in terms of what they want to do.

Well, if nothing else, you've been to Meg Ryan's fav place

[Whiteman]

You think We can swing a first round draft pick to an contender for Gordon? It can happen. For some reason I can see the Lakers doing it.

[Kstat]

If the Lakers are willing to try out Arenas and Iverson, they would be willing to take on Gordon. They have the trade exemption to get it done, too.

Ben Gordon for Luke Walton and LA's 1st rounder would work nicely.

[Kstat]

On a separate note, I approve of the word "delectable." It's one of those great words that you can't ever find an excuse to use in everyday vernacular without making things awkward.

[Stefan S]

Originally Posted by Kstat

On a separate note, I approve of the word "delectable." It's one of those great words that you can't ever find an excuse to use in everyday vernacular without making things awkward.

To wit, it's a delectable word.

[Stefan S]

Originally Posted by Kstat

If the Lakers are willing to try out Arenas and Iverson, ...

Did/do they really try out Iverson?

[tin mad dog]

Slight deviation from the Deli counter- We shot on the 19th floor of an office building today and the corner office had quite a nice view.

It's not the best picture but there's a certain famous lady off in the distance.

[Mel Kiper Jr]

Originally Posted by tin mad dog

It's not the best picture but there's a certain famous lady off in the distance.

I can't find her. Can you give me a hint where Karen Davidson is in that photo?

[ThaMaestro]

She's next to Bing, right?

[hack]

She is, on the far right, that intense burst of light breaking through the dull greyness.

[Stefan S]

Originally Posted by hack

She is, on the far right, that intense burst of light breaking through the dull greyness.

Such a gravity the whole earth has shifted
have you noticed the tilted horizon line?

[hack]

No need to get all flowery and overdo it, Stefan. That's just because of her chunky-frame glasses.

[papalawrence]

I figured that light was coming from Lin's apartment.

[tin mad dog]

I guess the Statue of Liberty is kind of hard to make out but I was giving you guys credit.

[Hobbs]

Rumor says that Washington will give anyone except Wall if you take Blatche off their hands. I'd definitely look at McGee plus Batche for some of our flotsam. If we could squeeze Charlie V into the deal it would be great. Otherwise, some combo of Daye, Bynum, and Max would be nice.

[hack]

For sure I'd try that given reports about McGee.

[Stefan S]

A nice idea.

By the way, it would be interesting if they really hated Blatche so much they would be willing to accept some serious load of crap in a trade.

[Lou Stefanic]

I really doubt that rumor is true. As bad as Blatche might be, surely there are comparably bad players in the league that Washington would reject in a trade.

[Dave Bing]

So what are your guesses? Stand pat at the deadline? Major piece moved? Something small just to say we did something?

I'm going with Will Bynum for a scrub big or a second round pick.

Chilla, BG, Daye, all here past the deadline.

[Kstat]

Maxiell actually has value now, and his salary is actually very manageable. I'll be very disappointed if he isn't dealt to a veteran team that needs an energy guy up front.

Same with Gordon. Ship him off to LA for a lesser contract like luke walton plus Dallas's 1st rounder. LA badly needs a bench gunner.

[Lou Stefanic]

I think Joe's got something on his plate that he's considering. Might be for Hickson, might be for one of the Utah bigs. I'm not sure that we'll view it as game-changing.

[Kstat]

really, all I think anyone wants is draft picks. A young big would be a bonus.