Trade deadline (and Deli delectables )

papalawrence · 02-09-2012, 10:58 PM

When is the deadline this year? Is it going to be different, given the shorter season?

I look for the Lakers to do something about their PG situation. Any other rumors out there?

Stefan S · 02-09-2012, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papalawrence

When is the deadline this year? Is it going to be different, given the shorter season?

I look for the Lakers to do something about their PG situation. Any other rumors out there?

Jeremy Lin available.

Oops, too late.
And how many teams regret it?

rpmfla · 02-10-2012, 09:34 AM

Trade deadline moves have been kind of rare for Joe D...at least lately. I'd be surprised to see much of anything happen. I'm not a fan of Bynum or Gordon, but I do think Gordon has the most value and is the most likely to be traded. He is great at one thing and poor at everything else. As an off-the-bench gunner he has value.

ghandi · 02-10-2012, 09:45 AM

It'd be nice if he'd move a couple of these guys and maybe land a late 1st or second rounder for a couple that aren't in the future plans.

ThaMaestro · 02-10-2012, 10:31 AM

If Joe gets the chance to trade Gordon or Charlie Twitter for a draft pick or young talent than he will. I don't see that chance happening, though.

Stefan S · 02-10-2012, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papalawrence

When is the deadline this year? Is it going to be different, given the shorter season?

I look for the Lakers to do something about their PG situation. Any other rumors out there?

March 15.

rpmfla · 02-10-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaMaestro

If Joe gets the chance to trade Gordon or Charlie Twitter for a draft pick or young talent than he will. I don't see that chance happening, though.

I think Joe has been better at fixing mistakes than he has been at not making mistakes.

I think Joe D has some strengths and weaknesses as a GM

Strengths:

Good at late first round and second round draft picks.
Good at turning bad outcomes around into something positive
Loyal to his players, rewarding them well

Weaknesses:

Not so good with high draft picks (although that seems to be turning around).
Thought we could restock instead of rebuild
Loyal to his players, thinking they are better than they are (and worth more)

papalawrence · 02-11-2012, 09:02 AM

At this point would you trade Daye for a hi 2nd? He's played 164 games now and will be 24 in a few months. He is very inconsistent. His lifetime FG% is 41. His 3-pt % is nice @ 35. Imho he's played enough to suggest he might be an instant offense type guy if he can gain some consistency......but it also wouldn't surprise me if he is out of the league in a few years. I think he's shown enough to suggest he will never be a decent starter.

El Axe · 02-11-2012, 11:13 AM

I'd probably trade Daye for a good pastrami sandwich. You know, from a real deli. I visited NY, NY a few months ago and had my first Katz.

So, if Dumars got a Katz pastrami for Daye, I'd be on board. If he got a 2nd-round pick thrown in the deal, I'd be thrilled.

tin mad dog · 02-11-2012, 11:38 AM

Katz', huh?

I will have to seek that out.

Dave Bing · 02-11-2012, 11:43 AM

Katz' pastrami is transcendant. Feed you for a week.

The King · 02-11-2012, 11:54 AM

Daye was a terrible pick the moment we took him. I can't believe Du-nothing gave him a promise and passed on all those big time PG prospects.

tin mad dog · 02-11-2012, 12:14 PM

Wasn't the other guy we were looking at Earl Clark?

Hobbs · 02-11-2012, 12:22 PM

That was the rumor. Clark was, and is, crrrrraaaaaaap!

Daye was a pick that didn't work, but he had some things going for him that could have made it work. He just can't get over the mental humps.

tin mad dog · 02-11-2012, 12:59 PM

I thought Daye was on his way to becoming something last year. Now, I just don't see it.

hack · 02-11-2012, 01:38 PM

Last time I was at Katz's the meat was sliced with the grain and there was no yellow mustard. Only dijons. Hoping it was just Trainees Day that day.

Dave Bing · 02-11-2012, 01:52 PM

You are kidding about cutting against the grain... ow.

hack · 02-11-2012, 01:58 PM

No respect for the old ways.

papalawrence · 02-11-2012, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tin mad dog

Katz', huh?

I will have to seek that out.

Have you ever seen When Harry Met Sally? Meg Ryan faked an orgasm in that deli.

Hobbs · 02-11-2012, 03:04 PM

So, does Max have value now? He's been contributing lately, but he's not really part of the future here and it'd be nice to get rid of his salary.

We need to find a way to get rid of Max and Bynum for expirings. Then we amnesty Twitter. Hopefully we can snag an asset (like Aldrich), but even if it's just getting rid of the contracts then that's good at this point.

Dave Bing · 02-11-2012, 04:08 PM

Get off of Cole Aldrich. He's useless.

Kstat · 02-11-2012, 04:09 PM

A better idea would be for Max to have a year so good that he opts out this summer in hopes of a long-term deal, knowing he won't be a starter next season.

mn3 · 02-11-2012, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papalawrence

Have you ever seen When Harry Met Sally? Meg Ryan faked an orgasm in that deli.

Even 20+ years later, that's still a great movie.

mn3 · 02-11-2012, 04:46 PM

P.S. Along with Katz's, try Ben's Deli which is more mid-town than Katz's, which is in SOHO. Best Pastrami I ever had. True Kosher deli. I'm not sure if Katz's is.

Hobbs · 02-11-2012, 04:46 PM

How would you know he's useless? In what little time he's gotten he's shown pretty much exactly what it was thought he was. Rebounds, a block shot or two, and he finishes the shots he takes.

We don't have the ammo to get bigs that are absolutely proven. You take the best shot you can with what you can get.

Kstat · 02-11-2012, 04:50 PM

I'd be all for Aldrich for a reasonable price.

jbill · 02-11-2012, 05:45 PM

Talked the only NBA fan I know today. He had an idea based on a couple things:

1. The rumors that Kobe/Dwight don't really want to play together
2. The fact that the Lakers want to win now
3. The fact that the Lakers 4-12 guys are pretty much garbage.

He suggested we offer Stuckey, Prince, Jerebko, and this year's 1st round pick, unprotected, for Bynum and Walton. I laughed, then stewed on it all day.

If the Lakers can't get Howard, then the only way they could win the title is with better supporting cast around Kobe/Gasol. The only reason we keep our 1st rounder is to build for the future, but if you can get a known quantity 24 year old All NBA center for that pick, of course you do it. We would go into free agency in two years with 22 mil of cap room and a core of Knight, Monroe, Bynum, Gordon, and our pick from 2013 (assuming we amnesty CV). Our core top 3 would be 20, 21, and 24 right now, and we could fill in as needed.

The Lake show goes into the playoffs with an 8 man rotation of Fisher, Stuckey, Kobe, Prince, Barnes, Gasol, McRoberts, Jerebko, and a potential top 5 pick in the upcoming draft.

Anyway, too many things would have to happen for this to go down, including Dumars's pulse coming back and the Lakers giving up on D Howard. But it was fun to bs about for 10 minutes at lunch.

papalawrence · 02-11-2012, 08:43 PM

That'd be putting a lot of the Pistons eggs in a fragile basket, imho. Giving up Stuckey and the #1 -- both likely big pieces in the rebuilding process......plus JJ, a supporting role for the future, all for a guy who has already had significant knee injuries........plus his work ethic has been called into question by guys like Kareem............I'd vote no, and it would be pretty easy to do that. I really like the chemistry Joe and Frank are building.....and I really like the Knight and Monroe core, and think Stuckey can play a big role as well.......and have rather hi hopes for the #1. I say just keep rebuilding. No to Bynum and his knees if it costs that much.

Dave Bing · 02-11-2012, 09:58 PM

Plus you take on Bynum's contract. Too much to give up. But tempting. Bynum is a top three center when healthy.

Mel Kiper Jr · 02-11-2012, 11:54 PM

The only way we trade that draft pick is IF you are certain that we are going to have a good 2nd half of the season and the probability that it will be outside of the top 7 is high.

I just don't see that though.

Plus, if we trade Stuckey, it opens a hole at SG. We'd also have a hole at SF. Plus, Jerebko is a decent player.

That's too much to give up for Bynum.

Jangul · 02-12-2012, 12:35 AM

Especially since we think we can get a Bynum like player on a cheaper rookie contract with the pick alone.

Dave Bing · 02-12-2012, 12:39 AM

Maybe not Bynum good...

Stefan S · 02-12-2012, 01:05 AM

...but, also, maybe healthier and not such a head-case.

Jangul · 02-12-2012, 01:16 AM

and definitely millions of dollars cheaper to start.

Mel Kiper Jr · 02-12-2012, 02:05 AM

Yep...plus we wouldn't need to find a starting SG and SF too...

jbill · 02-12-2012, 11:45 AM

I think I mostly agree with you guys, but for argument's sake:

If we could get a Knight, Monroe, Bynum core for the next half decade or longer, I think we'd have to do it, even if it meant that for the next year or two, we'd be below average at the SF position.

Also, we'd have Daye, Gordon, Wilkins, with Singler coming next year, to play those position...maybe one of those rises to the surface as a decent player, given the playing time.

detroitsportsfan · 02-12-2012, 11:57 AM

Here's a question: Should the Pistons look to make a big move before the trade deadline??? (Moving some pieces could make the team better and more competitive this season, thus affecting their draft status in the upcoming draft.) Or...Should the Pistons not make any big moves and just go with what they got??? (Thus, the Pistons would probably remain in the draft lottery, building for the future.) Hmmm...Personally, I think it would be nice if we could get some additional picks (this draft is supposed to be deep in talent) or if we do make a big trade, it should only be for a young, talented player that fills a current void (without us giving up Monroe or Knight...they are the only untouchables).

mn3 · 02-12-2012, 12:02 PM

Knight (developed), Monroe and Bynum would be a dominant threesome. LA is NOT going to make a trade unless they get a guy who predictably will be a superstar back for Bynum. There are likely only 2 potential superstars in this draft - and there's a question whether either of them will achieve that status: Davis and Drummond. If Davis develops Dwight Howard's strength, then he could be better than him. Drummond has a long way to go to develop the heart and instincts and fundamentals, but from what I'm hearing he's sure got the athleticism and the body to be amazing. Still for him, it's a pretty big "if" as to whether he'll fulfill his potential.

LA isn't going to trade a dominant young center for good players like Stuckey, JJ, and Perry Jones III. They'd insist on Monroe as part of any package - probably Knight and Monroe, and I wouldn't make that trade. I'm not sure whether Monroe won't become as great a pro as Bynum.

Kstat · 02-12-2012, 12:11 PM

the only big moves the pistons have any business making is trading players for draft picks.

detroitsportsfan · 02-12-2012, 12:40 PM

This is how I see the current Pistons roster:

UNTOUCHABLES:

Brandon Knight
Greg Monroe

NEAR UNTOUCHABLE (but could be moved in the right situation)

Rodney Stuckey
Jonas Jerebko
Austin Daye
Kyle Singler

TRADEABLE (players that Joe D should be gauging other teams interest in)

Ben Gordon
Tayshaun Prince
Jason Maxiell
Will Bynum

PLAYERS LIKELY TO STAY (other teams will likely have little interest in, although could be additional piece in trade)

Walker Russell Jr.
Damien Wilkins
Vernon Macklin
Ben Wallace (will retire as a Piston after this season)

NEEDS TO GO (traded, released, amnesty clause...just needs to be removed from Pistons roster, one way or another)

Charlie Villaneuva

Dave Bing · 02-12-2012, 12:57 PM

Dude, you have Daye about four levels to high. He's a dump-for-anything player.

mn3 · 02-12-2012, 12:57 PM

Daye could only be seen as a near untouchable because we'll not be able to get much value for him right now. We might as well keep him to see if he can snap out of it and gain back his confidence.

Dave Bing · 02-12-2012, 01:00 PM

If by untouchable, you mean that no one would want to touch him, I agree.

detroitsportsfan · 02-12-2012, 01:43 PM

I think the Pistons organization is higher on him than what you guys are saying. Actually, judging by some earlier comments by posters (earlier this season), many posters seemed to agree. Personally, I thought he was a bad draft pick. Joe D has had this woody in bringing in guys that are versatile (able to play different positions). This has only led to confused roles and bringing in guys who are basically "jack-of-all trades" and "masters-of-none." We need tough, hard-nosed, physical, athletic, defense-oriented players. We need to get back to "Pistons Basketball." That's what won for the Original "Bad Boys." That's what won for the Ben Wallace-Sheed-Tay-Rip-Chauncey-led Pistons of the early 2000's. That's what should represent this city. That's what's needed for this roster going forward. Knight and Monroe are a good place to start. Who's going to join them for the 2012-2013 season???

Mel Kiper Jr · 02-12-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jbill

I think I mostly agree with you guys, but for argument's sake:

If we could get a Knight, Monroe, Bynum core for the next half decade or longer, I think we'd have to do it, even if it meant that for the next year or two, we'd be below average at the SF position.

Also, we'd have Daye, Gordon, Wilkins, with Singler coming next year, to play those position...maybe one of those rises to the surface as a decent player, given the playing time.

You do realize that Bynum has been in the league for 6 years and ONLY played over 50 games TWICE. He's ONLY played over 65 games ONCE.

His numbers are also up and down. 2 years ago he had numbers like this years. Then the next season he didn't.

Plus, I doubt the Lakers are interested in our draft pick. They'd sooner trade Bynum to Orlando for Howard.

Mel Kiper Jr · 02-12-2012, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by detroitsportsfan

I think the Pistons organization is higher on him than what you guys are saying. Actually, judging by some earlier comments by posters (earlier this season), many posters seemed to agree. Personally, I thought he was a bad draft pick. Joe D has had this woody in bringing in guys that are versatile (able to play different positions). This has only led to confused roles and bringing in guys who are basically "jack-of-all trades" and "masters-of-none." We need tough, hard-nosed, physical, athletic, defense-oriented players. We need to get back to "Pistons Basketball." That's what won for the Original "Bad Boys." That's what won for the Ben Wallace-Sheed-Tay-Rip-Chauncey-led Pistons of the early 2000's. That's what should represent this city. That's what's needed for this roster going forward. Knight and Monroe are a good place to start. Who's going to join them for the 2012-2013 season???

Daye is close to being out of the league. The only thing that keeps him in the rotation is an extremely bad roster.

I think Dumars may consider Prince unavailable in a trade as history has shown. I don't think it makes sense, but it's how it is.

RodimusPrime · 02-12-2012, 02:04 PM

I am less concerned about Daye's confidence than I am about the fact that he's been around Joe, Maxiell and CV for 3 years and he still hasn't learned how to gain weight. He's never going to amount to anything in this league with that frame and if those 3 can't show him how to pack on the pounds nobody can.

Kstat · 02-12-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mn3

Daye could only be seen as a near untouchable because we'll not be able to get much value for him right now. We might as well keep him to see if he can snap out of it and gain back his confidence.

LOL

you realize we may not even pick up his option for next season? This could be the last 3 months of his NBA career.

Mel Kiper Jr · 02-12-2012, 02:53 PM

Savor them...

Lou Stefanic · 02-12-2012, 02:59 PM

Yeah, maybe Nikoloz Tskitishvili needs a back-up for whatever Iranian team he's currently playing on at the moment.

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tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,790 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Wasn't the other guy we were looking at Earl Clark? __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

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tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,790 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	I thought Daye was on his way to becoming something last year. Now, I just don't see it. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

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02-09-2012, 10:58 PM	#1
papalawrence Water Boy Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 859 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Trade deadline (and Deli delectables ) When is the deadline this year? Is it going to be different, given the shorter season? I look for the Lakers to do something about their PG situation. Any other rumors out there?

02-10-2012, 09:34 AM	#3
rpmfla Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 384 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Trade deadline moves have been kind of rare for Joe D...at least lately. I'd be surprised to see much of anything happen. I'm not a fan of Bynum or Gordon, but I do think Gordon has the most value and is the most likely to be traded. He is great at one thing and poor at everything else. As an off-the-bench gunner he has value.

02-10-2012, 09:45 AM	#4
ghandi Water Boy Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 878 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	It'd be nice if he'd move a couple of these guys and maybe land a late 1st or second rounder for a couple that aren't in the future plans.

02-10-2012, 10:31 AM	#5
ThaMaestro Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flinttown Representin' Posts: 1,394 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	If Joe gets the chance to trade Gordon or Charlie Twitter for a draft pick or young talent than he will. I don't see that chance happening, though.

02-11-2012, 09:02 AM	#8
papalawrence Water Boy Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 859 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	At this point would you trade Daye for a hi 2nd? He's played 164 games now and will be 24 in a few months. He is very inconsistent. His lifetime FG% is 41. His 3-pt % is nice @ 35. Imho he's played enough to suggest he might be an instant offense type guy if he can gain some consistency......but it also wouldn't surprise me if he is out of the league in a few years. I think he's shown enough to suggest he will never be a decent starter.

02-11-2012, 11:13 AM	#9
El Axe Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 698 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'd probably trade Daye for a good pastrami sandwich. You know, from a real deli. I visited NY, NY a few months ago and had my first Katz. So, if Dumars got a Katz pastrami for Daye, I'd be on board. If he got a 2nd-round pick thrown in the deal, I'd be thrilled.

02-11-2012, 11:43 AM	#11
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Katz' pastrami is transcendant. Feed you for a week.

02-11-2012, 11:54 AM	#12
The King Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,900 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Daye was a terrible pick the moment we took him. I can't believe Du-nothing gave him a promise and passed on all those big time PG prospects.

02-11-2012, 12:22 PM	#14
Hobbs Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,006 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	That was the rumor. Clark was, and is, crrrrraaaaaaap! Daye was a pick that didn't work, but he had some things going for him that could have made it work. He just can't get over the mental humps.

02-11-2012, 01:38 PM	#16
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Last time I was at Katz's the meat was sliced with the grain and there was no yellow mustard. Only dijons. Hoping it was just Trainees Day that day.

02-11-2012, 01:52 PM	#17
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	You are kidding about cutting against the grain... ow.

02-11-2012, 01:58 PM	#18
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,065 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	No respect for the old ways.

02-11-2012, 03:04 PM	#20
Hobbs Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,006 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	So, does Max have value now? He's been contributing lately, but he's not really part of the future here and it'd be nice to get rid of his salary. We need to find a way to get rid of Max and Bynum for expirings. Then we amnesty Twitter. Hopefully we can snag an asset (like Aldrich), but even if it's just getting rid of the contracts then that's good at this point.

02-11-2012, 04:08 PM	#21
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Get off of Cole Aldrich. He's useless.

02-11-2012, 04:09 PM	#22
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	A better idea would be for Max to have a year so good that he opts out this summer in hopes of a long-term deal, knowing he won't be a starter next season.

02-11-2012, 04:46 PM	#24
mn3 Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,502 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	P.S. Along with Katz's, try Ben's Deli which is more mid-town than Katz's, which is in SOHO. Best Pastrami I ever had. True Kosher deli. I'm not sure if Katz's is.

02-11-2012, 04:50 PM	#26
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'd be all for Aldrich for a reasonable price.

02-11-2012, 05:45 PM	#27
jbill Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 226 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Talked the only NBA fan I know today. He had an idea based on a couple things: 1. The rumors that Kobe/Dwight don't really want to play together 2. The fact that the Lakers want to win now 3. The fact that the Lakers 4-12 guys are pretty much garbage. He suggested we offer Stuckey, Prince, Jerebko, and this year's 1st round pick, unprotected, for Bynum and Walton. I laughed, then stewed on it all day. If the Lakers can't get Howard, then the only way they could win the title is with better supporting cast around Kobe/Gasol. The only reason we keep our 1st rounder is to build for the future, but if you can get a known quantity 24 year old All NBA center for that pick, of course you do it. We would go into free agency in two years with 22 mil of cap room and a core of Knight, Monroe, Bynum, Gordon, and our pick from 2013 (assuming we amnesty CV). Our core top 3 would be 20, 21, and 24 right now, and we could fill in as needed. The Lake show goes into the playoffs with an 8 man rotation of Fisher, Stuckey, Kobe, Prince, Barnes, Gasol, McRoberts, Jerebko, and a potential top 5 pick in the upcoming draft. Anyway, too many things would have to happen for this to go down, including Dumars's pulse coming back and the Lakers giving up on D Howard. But it was fun to bs about for 10 minutes at lunch.

02-11-2012, 08:43 PM	#28
papalawrence Water Boy Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 859 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	That'd be putting a lot of the Pistons eggs in a fragile basket, imho. Giving up Stuckey and the #1 -- both likely big pieces in the rebuilding process......plus JJ, a supporting role for the future, all for a guy who has already had significant knee injuries........plus his work ethic has been called into question by guys like Kareem............I'd vote no, and it would be pretty easy to do that. I really like the chemistry Joe and Frank are building.....and I really like the Knight and Monroe core, and think Stuckey can play a big role as well.......and have rather hi hopes for the #1. I say just keep rebuilding. No to Bynum and his knees if it costs that much.

02-11-2012, 09:58 PM	#29
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Plus you take on Bynum's contract. Too much to give up. But tempting. Bynum is a top three center when healthy.

02-11-2012, 11:54 PM	#30
Mel Kiper Jr Bench Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,349 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	The only way we trade that draft pick is IF you are certain that we are going to have a good 2nd half of the season and the probability that it will be outside of the top 7 is high. I just don't see that though. Plus, if we trade Stuckey, it opens a hole at SG. We'd also have a hole at SF. Plus, Jerebko is a decent player. That's too much to give up for Bynum.

02-12-2012, 12:35 AM	#31
Jangul Bench Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Detroit, MI. Posts: 1,149 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Especially since we think we can get a Bynum like player on a cheaper rookie contract with the pick alone.

02-12-2012, 12:39 AM	#32
Dave Bing Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,784 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Maybe not Bynum good...

02-12-2012, 01:05 AM	#33
Stefan S Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,259 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	...but, also, maybe healthier and not such a head-case.

02-12-2012, 01:16 AM	#34
Jangul Bench Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Detroit, MI. Posts: 1,149 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	and definitely millions of dollars cheaper to start.

02-12-2012, 02:05 AM	#35
Mel Kiper Jr Bench Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,349 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Yep...plus we wouldn't need to find a starting SG and SF too...

02-12-2012, 11:45 AM	#36
jbill Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 226 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I think I mostly agree with you guys, but for argument's sake: If we could get a Knight, Monroe, Bynum core for the next half decade or longer, I think we'd have to do it, even if it meant that for the next year or two, we'd be below average at the SF position. Also, we'd have Daye, Gordon, Wilkins, with Singler coming next year, to play those position...maybe one of those rises to the surface as a decent player, given the playing time.

02-12-2012, 11:57 AM	#37
detroitsportsfan Bench Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,511 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Here's a question: Should the Pistons look to make a big move before the trade deadline??? (Moving some pieces could make the team better and more competitive this season, thus affecting their draft status in the upcoming draft.) Or...Should the Pistons not make any big moves and just go with what they got??? (Thus, the Pistons would probably remain in the draft lottery, building for the future.) Hmmm...Personally, I think it would be nice if we could get some additional picks (this draft is supposed to be deep in talent) or if we do make a big trade, it should only be for a young, talented player that fills a current void (without us giving up Monroe or Knight...they are the only untouchables).

02-12-2012, 12:02 PM	#38
mn3 Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,502 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	Knight (developed), Monroe and Bynum would be a dominant threesome. LA is NOT going to make a trade unless they get a guy who predictably will be a superstar back for Bynum. There are likely only 2 potential superstars in this draft - and there's a question whether either of them will achieve that status: Davis and Drummond. If Davis develops Dwight Howard's strength, then he could be better than him. Drummond has a long way to go to develop the heart and instincts and fundamentals, but from what I'm hearing he's sure got the athleticism and the body to be amazing. Still for him, it's a pretty big "if" as to whether he'll fulfill his potential. LA isn't going to trade a dominant young center for good players like Stuckey, JJ, and Perry Jones III. They'd insist on Monroe as part of any package - probably Knight and Monroe, and I wouldn't make that trade. I'm not sure whether Monroe won't become as great a pro as Bynum.

02-12-2012, 12:11 PM	#39
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	the only big moves the pistons have any business making is trading players for draft picks.