Linsanity

detroitsportsfan · 02-15-2012, 01:32 AM

I'm surprised nobody is talking about Jeremy Lin. The undrafted player for the Knicks is having a helluva start in the NBA.

Jeremy Lin does it again with winning shot against Toronto

By The Associated Press

TORONTO — Even after his amazing week, this one took Linsanity to a whole new level. Against Toronto on Tuesday, it was Lin for the win!

Knicks sensation Jeremy Lin made a tiebreaking three-pointer with less than a second to play to cap his finishing flurry of six straight points and New York rallied to beat the Raptors 90-87, extending its winning streak to six games.

"I'm just glad it went like this so we can calm the Linsanity down," cracked Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni.

No chance of that. The NBA's first American-Taiwanese player, Lin scored 27 points and added a career-high 11 assists in his first game since being named Eastern Conference player of the week.

"He continues to impress every night," New York's Jared Jeffries said. "Every game he plays better, he does more and more to help us win basketball games. You can't ask any more of a kid coming into this situation."

While he's the one standing in the spotlight, Lin said sharing success with his teammates is as big a reward. "It's not because of me, it's because we're coming together as a team," Lin said. "We started making these steps earlier but we were still losing close games and so obviously it wasn't fun. But when you win, that solves a lot of problems. We've been winning and we've been playing together."

Making just his fifth career start, Lin had no hesitation in taking the decisive shot. "I'm thankful that the coach and my teammates trust me with the ball at the end of the game," he said. "I like having it at the end of the game. I'm just very thankful."

The season-high crowd of 20,092 roared as Lin shot over Jose Calderon and drained a pull-up jumper from the top of the arc with half a second to play, giving the Knicks their first lead since the opening quarter. D'Antoni declined to call timeout before Lin's winning shot, saying it would only give the Raptors time to draw up their defense.

Billl · 02-15-2012, 08:19 AM

" The undrafted player for the Knicks is having a helluva start in the NBA."

This isn't his start in the NBA. He played for GS last year and stunk. He did absolutely nothing for the first 20 or so games of this year either. Then, NY completely runs out of pg's and has to play him 40 mpg and he blows up. He had like 34 points for the YEAR and he comes out and does that in one game? It is one of the craziest things I've ever seen in the NBA.

Kstat · 02-15-2012, 08:26 AM

He didn't stink for GS last year.

He didn't stink for the Knicks prior to the last 2 weeks.

To stink, you need to actually PLAY. You can't "stink" if you're only playing 5 minutes game.

Lin produced in both highschool and college when he was given the ball. That he's doing it to this extent in the NBA is certainly a surprise, but the kid has always had talent.

Billl · 02-15-2012, 08:35 AM

Lin played 10 mpg in GS and shot 39% from the floor and 20% from 3. He got benched most of the year because he didn't do anything with the minutes he got.

hack · 02-15-2012, 08:48 AM

Perhaps he's in a system that suits him.

Kstat · 02-15-2012, 08:48 AM

10 MPG in 29 games is not a fair amount of time to make any kind of judgement. He was a rookie getting in games at all maybe once a week on average.

Billl · 02-15-2012, 10:14 AM

Just as a point of reference:

Austin Daye is 23. He's played in 25 games this year and is putting up 5.2 points in 16 minutes.

Lin is 23. He played in 29 games last year and put up 2.6 points in 10 minutes.

This year's Austin Daye is 25% more productive than Lin was last year. That is the type of total lack of production we are talking about. The same type of jump for Daye would have him dropping a string of 28/9 games.

Now, I'm sure you've been scouting Lin since he was in first grade and all, but we're talking about a pretty shocking leap.

Stefan S · 02-15-2012, 10:23 AM

What the pundits think: NBA -- How long will Linsanity last? - ESPN

ThaMaestro · 02-15-2012, 10:24 AM

Not even Lin's own mother would have thought he could put together a string of games like this. The guy is legit, but if he wasn't playing in that system and in NYC he wouldn't be plastered all over our TV's.

Kstat · 02-15-2012, 10:26 AM

Nobody is putting him in the hall of fame. But his track record says he will produce if you put the ball in his hands and let him run the team. He never got that chance in Golden State behind Curry and Ellis.

Billl · 02-15-2012, 10:30 AM

"Nobody is putting him in the hall of fame. But his track record says he will produce if you put the ball in his hands and let him run the team. He never got that chance in Golden State behind Curry and Ellis."

What a load of crap. Every crap college program has a player that produces a ton against sub-sub-sub-sub NBA talent. If they luck into a chance in the NBA, they usually do about what Lin did in GS - not what he is doing in NY.

As far as "system" - it wasn't like he was playing for Larry Brown in GS. They are just as wide open as NY.

ThaMaestro · 02-15-2012, 10:35 AM

His track record? He's had a sensational 5 games in the NBA in a season and a half. Boobie Gibson has done that, too.

ghandi · 02-15-2012, 10:36 AM

I think he's a great story....I'm rooting for him (but not the Knicks)

ThaMaestro · 02-15-2012, 10:40 AM

A great story for sure! I like him and am rooting for him myself, but I'm not pretending he's something he's not.

Stefan S · 02-15-2012, 10:56 AM

The guy might have save the Knicks season and D'Antoni's ass.

In objective terms, though, it's been only a few games, for sure an amazing streak, a sort of zone extended over a few games. It's not clear whether he can sustain this level of playing (or even close) over a season.

papalawrence · 02-15-2012, 11:24 AM

I like the story too. He does produce a lot of turnovers. Still a very nice story. I am curious to see if Melo's return will dampen the fire.

capnpaco · 02-15-2012, 11:37 AM

He's been plastered over TV's in Taiwan as well, not surprisingly. It seems like he's had a lot of luck in this run hitting jumpers and circus shots, but he's also making some great passes and running the pick and roll incredibly well. He's not going to average 25 and 10 or whatever over a season, but he does seem like a legit starting pg.

DYNOMITE · 02-15-2012, 11:50 AM

Time for Macklin to step the fuck up. Give him 40 minutes a night and see if he can get us 20-10 with 4 blocks.

whoDean · 02-15-2012, 12:38 PM

Lin only goes right.

Kstat · 02-15-2012, 12:47 PM

...which means very little in pick and roll situations. Overplay the right side and he can step behind the screen and shoot over it.

Stefan S · 02-15-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by capnpaco

He's been plastered over TV's in Taiwan as well, not surprisingly. It seems like he's had a lot of luck in this run hitting jumpers and circus shots, but he's also making some great passes and running the pick and roll incredibly well. He's not going to average 25 and 10 or whatever over a season, but he does seem like a legit starting pg.

allegedly, people in the mainland China started to tune in much more again (after Yao retired).

Kstat · 02-15-2012, 12:57 PM

Mainland China won't show Knicks games, apparently, since Lin isn't native chinese, and his christian religion isn't helping either.

Stefan S · 02-15-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kstat

Mainland China won't show Knicks games, apparently, since Lin isn't native chinese, and his christian religion isn't helping either.

I did not know about it but not a surprise.

ESPN "True Hoops" has a long essay on some of this issues: The NBA's China evolution - TrueHoop Blog - ESPN

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Jeremy Lin's agent says he hasn't slept in days, fielding calls with business opportunities. Knicks games are being added to broadcasts all across Asia.

In the strangest of ways, the NBA has found, in a young Taiwanese-American, a near-perfect poster child for the league in the NBA's biggest market. It's a shot in a critical arm of the league's global brand.

What's interesting is that the league says that despite Yao Ming's retirement and recent reports of blown opportunities, the league is doing very well in China, thank you very much, despite one prominent apparent misstep.

A few years ago, all kinds of heavy hitters lined up all kinds of money to create a new business entity called NBA China. What precisely it would do was never all that clear, publicly. But when NBA China was created, there was a lot of excitement about more reforms and openness in the Chinese sporting world, especially surrounding the 2008 Olympics.

...

alias gym rat · 02-15-2012, 01:57 PM

Living in Canada, I can't always get the games I want to watch, but for some reason the Knicks are on a lot. The Knicks as a team were not playing well before Lin arrived- almost dysfunctional, not too much trust, considering their "talent". I like what Lin has done to empower the team. They have all bought in and are all playing good; as a team. It's good basketball (though I'm not into all the god thanking stuff). Another thing, I'm enjoying his confidence. Hey Billl, crazy is good!

El Axe · 02-15-2012, 04:47 PM

I mentioned in another thread that I think the kid can play. There are several youtube packages of his highlights. I doubt he will be this good his second time around the league, but I don't think he's going away.

One thing that I heard on the radio: Lin has scored more points in his first 5 NBA starts than anyone else since the NBA-ABA Merger. That's pretty impressive no matter how you cut it.

FadedMario · 02-15-2012, 05:37 PM

I'm a sports card dealer on the side and part of that means I'm supposed to stock up on players before they become stars (which I'm usually very good at). I completely missed the boat on Lin.

I had nothing of his. I can tell you this though - I just seen a card that you could have bought all-day long for around $12 less than 2 weeks ago sell for $1,900. You do the math -

If I bought 10 cards at even $20 , ten days ago - I'd have $200 into them.

I'd have $18,000 (after fees) right now if I just would have noticed this kid before his second game starting with the Knicks.

I'm so mad.

Stefan S · 02-15-2012, 10:29 PM

13 assists, 10 points on 4-6 shooting, 2-3 from the line
the kid is sensational

but, again, it's still a small sample

I think he will sustain this level most of the season
though there maybe a dip at the end,
it's just too grueling for someone new in the league

he probably saved the Knicks season
D'antoni's job, too
I totally understand the hype

even one full season may be a small sample

Hobbs · 02-15-2012, 10:35 PM

Don't forget the turnovers. He's been consistently very high in those as well. At some point that's going to catch up with him.

Beyond amazing story though.

Orwellian O. · 02-15-2012, 10:41 PM

Love the story. Decent player. Good story for the NBA.

papalawrence · 02-16-2012, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FadedMario

I'm a sports card dealer on the side and part of that means I'm supposed to stock up on players before they become stars (which I'm usually very good at). I completely missed the boat on Lin.

I had nothing of his. I can tell you this though - I just seen a card that you could have bought all-day long for around $12 less than 2 weeks ago sell for $1,900. You do the math -

If I bought 10 cards at even $20 , ten days ago - I'd have $200 into them.

I'd have $18,000 (after fees) right now if I just would have noticed this kid before his second game starting with the Knicks.

I'm so mad.

A Lin card is selling for $1900?!?! WTF?!?!?! That's insane. Some people are going to lose a lot of coin when he comes back to earth. I think he'll be a good player.......but $1900? Wow. Give me a low grade '33 Goudey Gehrig over a Lin card any day of the week.

detroitsportsfan · 02-16-2012, 02:52 AM

Lin is a hot commodity right now but we'll see how long it lasts (especially once other teams have him figured out). I'm rooting for him but I can do without "the God" references to why it's happening to him (Lin's version of "Tebowing").

Lin's story reminds me a little bit of that guy who played with the Lakers a few years back and was productive for them. Can't remember his name but most thought he wasn't really NBA talent and just a scrub playing for a championship-caliber team (I think the Lakers won the title that year). If I'm not mistaken, he just played one year for LA although Kobe wanted him back. I I remember correctly, he was a guard. Anyone remember who I'm talking about?

Lou Stefanic · 02-16-2012, 10:54 AM

Smush Parker?

FadedMario · 02-16-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by papalawrence

A Lin card is selling for $1900?!?! WTF?!?!?! That's insane. Some people are going to lose a lot of coin when he comes back to earth. I think he'll be a good player.......but $1900? Wow. Give me a low grade '33 Goudey Gehrig over a Lin card any day of the week.

There's one that just sold for $2,200 that you could have bought for $30 less than two weeks ago.

One guy has a gem mint National Treasures Patch Auto Card of Lin listed at $68,888. That card probably sold for $100 prior to his last 6 games with the Knicks. Not a bad profit.. lol

detroitsportsfan · 02-16-2012, 12:12 PM

No. It wasn't Smush Parker (he played for the Pistons too, didn't he?). It was a white guy. He was a good shooter and a clutch one at that. I'm thinking it was Mike Penberthy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Penberthy

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Originally Posted by Lou Stefanic

Smush Parker?

mn3 · 02-16-2012, 01:15 PM

He looks great on the highlights I've seen, but a few points of caution.

1. Six games.

2. He's coming in and playing on fresh legs in the middle of a season where NBA players have been subjected to a very compressed schedule, and are really knicked up.

3. He hasn't been scouted thoroughly yet.

4. Right now, he's playing out of his head. He hasn't had a bad stretch yet - but he will. What happens to his confidence when the league catches up to him and his body fatigue and knicks and bruises catch up to his peers?

5. His amazing story will generate a lot of attention and a lot of pressure - accentuated by being in NYC. How will he handle that?

hack · 02-16-2012, 01:25 PM

It is appropriate to be skeptical.

Billl · 02-16-2012, 01:41 PM

Being skeptical that it will continue is fine, but people seem to be looking for reasons to diminish this accomplishment. Fresh legs? Come on. The guy didn't come in for spot minutes and grab a couple rebounds with hustle. He's playing starters minutes and dominating. Nobody has ever done this before.

King Mob · 02-16-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mn3

He looks great on the highlights I've seen, but a few points of caution.

1. Six games.

2. He's coming in and playing on fresh legs in the middle of a season where NBA players have been subjected to a very compressed schedule, and are really knicked up.

3. He hasn't been scouted thoroughly yet.

4. Right now, he's playing out of his head. He hasn't had a bad stretch yet - but he will. What happens to his confidence when the league catches up to him and his body fatigue and knicks and bruises catch up to his peers?

5. His amazing story will generate a lot of attention and a lot of pressure - accentuated by being in NYC. How will he handle that?

You know what, this lockout was the best thing ever. Not only has it given us a kindler, genter KStat, it's given us a Newman that believes that 6 regular season games of NBA dominance doesn't point one way or another towards a player's ability, and urges caution before getting overly enthusiastic about said player. I wouldn't bat an eyelash if Psycho Rob and Hause announced that they were Perfect Strangers-type BFFs now, or if news broke that Diddy has discovered God and founded the Diddy Ministries.

mn3 · 02-16-2012, 03:59 PM

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I wouldn't bat an eyelash if Psycho Rob and Hause announced that they were Perfect Strangers-type BFFs now, or if news broke that Diddy has discovered God and founded the Diddy Ministries.

Diddy shouts "OH MY GOD!!!" several times a day while sitting in front of his second computer.

I posted that with a wry, pleasant smile on my face, so I should be safe from repurcussions or overt returned anger.

FadedMario · 02-16-2012, 05:10 PM

I'm hearing the Knicks can only offer him around 5 million a year next year. If he keeps it up can the Knicks even keep him? If Stuckey is worth 8 million - you'd have to think he's going to be worth more than that.

King Mob · 02-16-2012, 05:31 PM

I thought I heard something about them being able to match any offers he gets because of a Gilbert Arenas rule, I'm not entirely sure what that's all about though.

Hobbs · 02-16-2012, 05:42 PM

He'll be a restricted free agent and they can match any offer. He cannot get away from them if they don't want to let him go.

Stefan S · 02-16-2012, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Mob

You know what, this lockout was the best thing ever. Not only has it given us a kindler, genter KStat, it's given us a Newman that believes that 6 regular season games of NBA dominance doesn't point one way or another towards a player's ability, and urges caution before getting overly enthusiastic about said player. I wouldn't bat an eyelash if Psycho Rob and Hause announced that they were Perfect Strangers-type BFFs now, or if news broke that Diddy has discovered God and founded the Diddy Ministries.

bwbwbwahahahaHAHAHA!!

Stefan S · 02-16-2012, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobbs

He'll be a restricted free agent and they can match any offer. He cannot get away from them if they don't want to let him go.

is this because we still have some kind of soft cap (+ luxury tax)?

Stefan S · 02-16-2012, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Mob

I thought I heard something about them being able to match any offers he gets because of a Gilbert Arenas rule, I'm not entirely sure what that's all about though.

it may now become the Lin Exception (because of the new CA)

Money23 · 02-17-2012, 01:04 AM

The guy scored more points in his first five NBA starts than SHAQ did, while at the same time legitimately running the Knicks' offense WITHOUT AMARE OR CARMELO. Plus, he went to Harvard (I believe he's the second or third Harvard player EVER to come to the NBA, so credit scouts with at least that much). Caution is appropriate, but this kid DEFINITELY has something. And he does it all with perfect posture, strangely enough.

Orwellian O. · 02-17-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Money23

The guy scored more points in his first five NBA starts than SHAQ did, while at the same time legitimately running the Knicks' offense WITHOUT AMARE OR CARMELO. Plus, he went to Harvard (I believe he's the second or third Harvard player EVER to come to the NBA, so credit scouts with at least that much). Caution is appropriate, but this kid DEFINITELY has something. And he does it all with perfect posture, strangely enough.

He does move a bit weird.

tin mad dog · 02-17-2012, 09:13 PM

Tonight might be a night to Curb Your Linthusiasm- 8 turnovers in the first half.

I don't blame him, though. I think we're just already seeing the "J.R. Smith Effect" on the team and I don't even think he's officially signed.

ThaMaestro · 02-18-2012, 08:00 AM

Lou Stefanic · 02-18-2012, 08:31 AM

Well, I guess he's not going to win every game.

The eight turnovers in the first half were brutal, but he only had one in the second half.

02-15-2012, 01:32 AM	#1
detroitsportsfan Bench Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,515 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Linsanity I'm surprised nobody is talking about Jeremy Lin. The undrafted player for the Knicks is having a helluva start in the NBA. Jeremy Lin does it again with winning shot against Toronto By The Associated Press TORONTO — Even after his amazing week, this one took Linsanity to a whole new level. Against Toronto on Tuesday, it was Lin for the win! Knicks sensation Jeremy Lin made a tiebreaking three-pointer with less than a second to play to cap his finishing flurry of six straight points and New York rallied to beat the Raptors 90-87, extending its winning streak to six games. "I'm just glad it went like this so we can calm the Linsanity down," cracked Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni. No chance of that. The NBA's first American-Taiwanese player, Lin scored 27 points and added a career-high 11 assists in his first game since being named Eastern Conference player of the week. "He continues to impress every night," New York's Jared Jeffries said. "Every game he plays better, he does more and more to help us win basketball games. You can't ask any more of a kid coming into this situation." While he's the one standing in the spotlight, Lin said sharing success with his teammates is as big a reward. "It's not because of me, it's because we're coming together as a team," Lin said. "We started making these steps earlier but we were still losing close games and so obviously it wasn't fun. But when you win, that solves a lot of problems. We've been winning and we've been playing together." Making just his fifth career start, Lin had no hesitation in taking the decisive shot. "I'm thankful that the coach and my teammates trust me with the ball at the end of the game," he said. "I like having it at the end of the game. I'm just very thankful." The season-high crowd of 20,092 roared as Lin shot over Jose Calderon and drained a pull-up jumper from the top of the arc with half a second to play, giving the Knicks their first lead since the opening quarter. D'Antoni declined to call timeout before Lin's winning shot, saying it would only give the Raptors time to draw up their defense.

02-15-2012, 08:26 AM	#3
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	He didn't stink for GS last year. He didn't stink for the Knicks prior to the last 2 weeks. To stink, you need to actually PLAY. You can't "stink" if you're only playing 5 minutes game. Lin produced in both highschool and college when he was given the ball. That he's doing it to this extent in the NBA is certainly a surprise, but the kid has always had talent. Last edited by Kstat; 02-15-2012 at 08:30 AM.

02-15-2012, 08:48 AM	#6
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	10 MPG in 29 games is not a fair amount of time to make any kind of judgement. He was a rookie getting in games at all maybe once a week on average. Last edited by Kstat; 02-15-2012 at 08:51 AM.

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tin mad dog Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island City, NY Posts: 9,844 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Tonight might be a night to Curb Your Linthusiasm- 8 turnovers in the first half. I don't blame him, though. I think we're just already seeing the "J.R. Smith Effect" on the team and I don't even think he's officially signed. __________________ 2011- Oh Bismack, where art thou?

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02-15-2012, 08:19 AM	#2
Billl Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,383 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	" The undrafted player for the Knicks is having a helluva start in the NBA." This isn't his start in the NBA. He played for GS last year and stunk. He did absolutely nothing for the first 20 or so games of this year either. Then, NY completely runs out of pg's and has to play him 40 mpg and he blows up. He had like 34 points for the YEAR and he comes out and does that in one game? It is one of the craziest things I've ever seen in the NBA.

02-15-2012, 08:35 AM	#4
Billl Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,383 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Lin played 10 mpg in GS and shot 39% from the floor and 20% from 3. He got benched most of the year because he didn't do anything with the minutes he got.

02-15-2012, 08:48 AM	#5
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,082 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Perhaps he's in a system that suits him.

02-15-2012, 10:14 AM	#7
Billl Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,383 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Just as a point of reference: Austin Daye is 23. He's played in 25 games this year and is putting up 5.2 points in 16 minutes. Lin is 23. He played in 29 games last year and put up 2.6 points in 10 minutes. This year's Austin Daye is 25% more productive than Lin was last year. That is the type of total lack of production we are talking about. The same type of jump for Daye would have him dropping a string of 28/9 games. Now, I'm sure you've been scouting Lin since he was in first grade and all, but we're talking about a pretty shocking leap.

02-15-2012, 10:23 AM	#8
Stefan S Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,283 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	What the pundits think: NBA -- How long will Linsanity last? - ESPN

02-15-2012, 10:24 AM	#9
ThaMaestro Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flinttown Representin' Posts: 1,394 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Not even Lin's own mother would have thought he could put together a string of games like this. The guy is legit, but if he wasn't playing in that system and in NYC he wouldn't be plastered all over our TV's.

02-15-2012, 10:26 AM	#10
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Nobody is putting him in the hall of fame. But his track record says he will produce if you put the ball in his hands and let him run the team. He never got that chance in Golden State behind Curry and Ellis.

02-15-2012, 10:30 AM	#11
Billl Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,383 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	"Nobody is putting him in the hall of fame. But his track record says he will produce if you put the ball in his hands and let him run the team. He never got that chance in Golden State behind Curry and Ellis." What a load of crap. Every crap college program has a player that produces a ton against sub-sub-sub-sub NBA talent. If they luck into a chance in the NBA, they usually do about what Lin did in GS - not what he is doing in NY. As far as "system" - it wasn't like he was playing for Larry Brown in GS. They are just as wide open as NY.

02-15-2012, 10:35 AM	#12
ThaMaestro Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flinttown Representin' Posts: 1,394 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	His track record? He's had a sensational 5 games in the NBA in a season and a half. Boobie Gibson has done that, too.

02-15-2012, 10:36 AM	#13
ghandi Water Boy Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 878 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I think he's a great story....I'm rooting for him (but not the Knicks)

02-15-2012, 10:40 AM	#14
ThaMaestro Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flinttown Representin' Posts: 1,394 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	A great story for sure! I like him and am rooting for him myself, but I'm not pretending he's something he's not.

02-15-2012, 10:56 AM	#15
Stefan S Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,283 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	The guy might have save the Knicks season and D'Antoni's ass. In objective terms, though, it's been only a few games, for sure an amazing streak, a sort of zone extended over a few games. It's not clear whether he can sustain this level of playing (or even close) over a season.

02-15-2012, 11:24 AM	#16
papalawrence Water Boy Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 863 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I like the story too. He does produce a lot of turnovers. Still a very nice story. I am curious to see if Melo's return will dampen the fire.

02-15-2012, 11:37 AM	#17
capnpaco Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 902 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	He's been plastered over TV's in Taiwan as well, not surprisingly. It seems like he's had a lot of luck in this run hitting jumpers and circus shots, but he's also making some great passes and running the pick and roll incredibly well. He's not going to average 25 and 10 or whatever over a season, but he does seem like a legit starting pg.

02-15-2012, 11:50 AM	#18
DYNOMITE Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,806 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Time for Macklin to step the fuck up. Give him 40 minutes a night and see if he can get us 20-10 with 4 blocks.

02-15-2012, 12:38 PM	#19
whoDean Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,955 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Lin only goes right.

02-15-2012, 12:47 PM	#20
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	...which means very little in pick and roll situations. Overplay the right side and he can step behind the screen and shoot over it.

02-15-2012, 12:57 PM	#22
Kstat Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,245 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Mainland China won't show Knicks games, apparently, since Lin isn't native chinese, and his christian religion isn't helping either.

02-15-2012, 01:57 PM	#24
alias gym rat Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 151 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Living in Canada, I can't always get the games I want to watch, but for some reason the Knicks are on a lot. The Knicks as a team were not playing well before Lin arrived- almost dysfunctional, not too much trust, considering their "talent". I like what Lin has done to empower the team. They have all bought in and are all playing good; as a team. It's good basketball (though I'm not into all the god thanking stuff). Another thing, I'm enjoying his confidence. Hey Billl, crazy is good!

02-15-2012, 04:47 PM	#25
El Axe Water Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 698 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I mentioned in another thread that I think the kid can play. There are several youtube packages of his highlights. I doubt he will be this good his second time around the league, but I don't think he's going away. One thing that I heard on the radio: Lin has scored more points in his first 5 NBA starts than anyone else since the NBA-ABA Merger. That's pretty impressive no matter how you cut it.

02-15-2012, 05:37 PM	#26
FadedMario Water Boy Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Millennium Falcon Posts: 420 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'm a sports card dealer on the side and part of that means I'm supposed to stock up on players before they become stars (which I'm usually very good at). I completely missed the boat on Lin. I had nothing of his. I can tell you this though - I just seen a card that you could have bought all-day long for around $12 less than 2 weeks ago sell for $1,900. You do the math - If I bought 10 cards at even $20 , ten days ago - I'd have $200 into them. I'd have $18,000 (after fees) right now if I just would have noticed this kid before his second game starting with the Knicks. I'm so mad.

02-15-2012, 10:29 PM	#27
Stefan S Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,283 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	13 assists, 10 points on 4-6 shooting, 2-3 from the line the kid is sensational but, again, it's still a small sample I think he will sustain this level most of the season though there maybe a dip at the end, it's just too grueling for someone new in the league he probably saved the Knicks season D'antoni's job, too I totally understand the hype even one full season may be a small sample

02-15-2012, 10:35 PM	#28
Hobbs Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,012 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Don't forget the turnovers. He's been consistently very high in those as well. At some point that's going to catch up with him. Beyond amazing story though.

02-15-2012, 10:41 PM	#29
Orwellian O. Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,827 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Love the story. Decent player. Good story for the NBA.

02-16-2012, 02:52 AM	#31
detroitsportsfan Bench Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,515 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Lin is a hot commodity right now but we'll see how long it lasts (especially once other teams have him figured out). I'm rooting for him but I can do without "the God" references to why it's happening to him (Lin's version of "Tebowing"). Lin's story reminds me a little bit of that guy who played with the Lakers a few years back and was productive for them. Can't remember his name but most thought he wasn't really NBA talent and just a scrub playing for a championship-caliber team (I think the Lakers won the title that year). If I'm not mistaken, he just played one year for LA although Kobe wanted him back. I I remember correctly, he was a guard. Anyone remember who I'm talking about?

02-16-2012, 10:54 AM	#32
Lou Stefanic Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,578 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Smush Parker?

02-16-2012, 01:15 PM	#35
mn3 Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,510 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	He looks great on the highlights I've seen, but a few points of caution. 1. Six games. 2. He's coming in and playing on fresh legs in the middle of a season where NBA players have been subjected to a very compressed schedule, and are really knicked up. 3. He hasn't been scouted thoroughly yet. 4. Right now, he's playing out of his head. He hasn't had a bad stretch yet - but he will. What happens to his confidence when the league catches up to him and his body fatigue and knicks and bruises catch up to his peers? 5. His amazing story will generate a lot of attention and a lot of pressure - accentuated by being in NYC. How will he handle that?

02-16-2012, 01:25 PM	#36
hack Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,082 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	It is appropriate to be skeptical.

02-16-2012, 01:41 PM	#37
Billl Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,383 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Being skeptical that it will continue is fine, but people seem to be looking for reasons to diminish this accomplishment. Fresh legs? Come on. The guy didn't come in for spot minutes and grab a couple rebounds with hustle. He's playing starters minutes and dominating. Nobody has ever done this before.

02-16-2012, 05:10 PM	#40
FadedMario Water Boy Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Millennium Falcon Posts: 420 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'm hearing the Knicks can only offer him around 5 million a year next year. If he keeps it up can the Knicks even keep him? If Stuckey is worth 8 million - you'd have to think he's going to be worth more than that.