Palace ROTO Fantasy Basketball League

sam dav · 08-25-2010, 09:33 PM

Leagues are up, we might as well get our dates straight and decide early if we want a roto league this year(they also added an auction system this year).

King Mob · 08-25-2010, 09:38 PM

I am in like a djinn.

Lou Stefanic · 08-25-2010, 09:46 PM

I'm in too.

In fact, if people want, I'd be more than willing to collect and hold the cash this year from everybody. I seem to recall some issue with that last year, not that I don't think Money and KM haven't done great jobs in the past. Either way, whatever.

What the hell is the auction function?

sam dav · 08-25-2010, 09:52 PM

You just bet cash sums on players, highest bidder wins the rights to the player if I remember correctly from previous leagues.

King Mob · 08-25-2010, 10:11 PM

I'd give it a whirl on a free league, I've heard auctions are fun. I've never done one before though, so I wouldn't in a money league.

whoDean · 08-25-2010, 11:58 PM

I'm in for another year.

Jad64 · 08-26-2010, 01:13 AM

You get a fixed amount ( of money ) and then everyone bids on the players thay want. The biggest problem with this is that most people spend ALL of there money on 4 or 5 of the best players that they can get. Then they have no money left BUT, the computer lets everyone fill out there roster at the end of the draft for $ 1 or $ 2 each on the rest of there roster....

The King · 08-26-2010, 08:22 AM

I'm in.

T-Dot · 08-27-2010, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jad64

You get a fixed amount ( of money ) and then everyone bids on the players thay want. The biggest problem with this is that most people spend ALL of there money on 4 or 5 of the best players that they can get. Then they have no money left BUT, the computer lets everyone fill out there roster at the end of the draft for $ 1 or $ 2 each on the rest of there roster....

Not true, Jad thats the same thing you said about football

Ive done 2 football auction drafts and if you decide to blow your wad on Chris Johnson, MJD or AP then you have less money to fill out your roster

It's a much better system, eveyone has the same shot at all of the top players

you can go top heavy or fill your roster with 4th round talent... it's up to you

There are no timeouts because you are always bidding, and there are risks if u try to run up the bidding on a player you dont want. It's also very stupid to let a guy get a quality player for a small price tag, so sometimes its best to bid up.

It requires more thinking but it's the truest test of who is the best GM.

I honestly believe that 3-4 years from now auctions will have permanently replaced snake drafts. If we do it once, we will never go back.

in a $30 league it's definitely worth doing, if you're skeptical then try doing a mock

T-Dot · 08-27-2010, 10:36 AM

All that said, I think the most pressing issues are the weekly move limits & daily changes.

I would much prefer to do daily changes with some sort of cap on weekly moves.

T-Dot · 08-27-2010, 10:36 AM

Oh yah, I'm in

whoDean · 08-27-2010, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-Dot

All that said, I think the most pressing issues are the weekly move limits & daily changes.

I would much prefer to do daily changes with some sort of cap on weekly moves.

Completely agree, does Yahoo allow it?

Jad64 · 08-27-2010, 02:28 PM

Im with whoWean on this one. I like the daily changes also if possible......

Lou Stefanic · 08-28-2010, 10:33 AM

I'd be in favor of daily changes too, although I'll acquiesce to weekly changes if it means we get a larger league.

T-Dot · 08-28-2010, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoDean

Completely agree, does Yahoo allow it?

they allowed it last year but they didnt make an announcement so most commissioners didnt realize it was there until it was too late.

You can cap weekly moves to whichever number we feel is desirable

whoDean · 08-28-2010, 01:40 PM

Sounds perfect. daily changes with 4 or 5 max per slot?

Remember, you can still schedule all of your daily changes once per week if you wish.

Jad64 · 08-28-2010, 01:51 PM

3 or 4 seems a bit excessive to me . I would think 2 or 3 per possition would suffice.

King Mob · 08-28-2010, 03:07 PM

The objection to daily moves has mainly been that it allows crappy teams to beat great teams by streaming players and playing an extra 5-10 games a week. The solution to that would appear to be adding a couple of bench spots so that every team has enough bench players to ensure they can fill their starting roster most days, and thinning the waiver pool to players even bad teams won't want to pick up and play.

There's also the complaint that people don't want to have to look at their fantasy team evey day, but like Who said, you can set every spot for the week at once if you want. Although I don't know why anyone who thinks looking at their team once a day is too much of a commitment would want to be in a fantasy league anyway.

sam dav · 08-28-2010, 04:54 PM

I'd prefer a weekly limit cap at like 40-45 games or something close, with daily roster substitutes allowed. That way you can sub for injured players without having to sacrifice those games for the week. This has always been the biggest reason why we all wanted the daily changes in the first place.

Now, who is in for a roto league? We need at least 10

King Mob · 08-28-2010, 08:10 PM

You can't cap games played, just adds.

I'm in for a roto league.

sam dav · 08-28-2010, 08:38 PM

Well, 10 positional players at 4 games each will do the same thing, correct?

King Mob · 08-28-2010, 09:21 PM

I'm not sure what you mean. You can't set a limit on how many games are played at a particular position. You can limit how many players are added in a week, to try and keep people from mass dumping and adding players each day in order to always field 10 guys. But there's no way to set it so a there is a cap on how many players a team can field in a week, other than the natural cap of 70.

The problem is that good teams can't mass drop guys because they actually have good players on their bench, and bad teams do not so they have no problem dumping their bottom 5-6 guys in order to pad their games played every week. Getting stuck with an injured guy taking up a starting spot is a problem too, but it's the lesser of two evils.

sam dav · 08-28-2010, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Mob

I'm not sure what you mean. You can't set a limit on how many games are played at a particular position. You can limit how many players are added in a week, to try and keep people from mass dumping and adding players each day in order to always field 10 guys. But there's no way to set it so a there is a cap on how many players a team can field in a week, other than the natural cap of 70.

The problem is that good teams can't mass drop guys because they actually have good players on their bench, and bad teams do not so they have no problem dumping their bottom 5-6 guys in order to pad their games played every week. Getting stuck with an injured guy taking up a starting spot is a problem too, but it's the lesser of two evils.

Well, essentially we are talking about issues that cannot be resolved then. Until yahoo gives us a bit more customization options, these issues will persist.

King Mob · 08-30-2010, 10:59 AM

Start up the league, Lou.

Money23 · 08-30-2010, 03:56 PM

Is Lou starting a roto league? I'll commish a H2H league if there's enough interest.

T-Dot · 08-30-2010, 06:32 PM

I noticed they made some new features:

1) if you add free agents you can use them the same night

2) you can choose "1-win" standings like Football, so if you win a week you go 1-0, not 5-4, 6-3, 7-2

(im sure total categoreis won would break a tie in the final standings)

The King · 08-30-2010, 07:21 PM

I'm in for both head to head and roto.

sam dav · 08-30-2010, 08:25 PM

Go ahead and register for the roto league. We need to fill up this league first, as we are usually too late being proactive with the roto league. H2H will be filled regardless.

League ID: 10835

Custom League URL: http://basketball.fantasysports.yaho...gue/palaceroto
password: pistons
Draft time: Wed, October 20th at 8:30pm.

Let's get 10 people in.

Buy in 25-30? Second place returns investment, 1st the rest?

T-Dot · 08-31-2010, 08:47 AM

who is doing the H2H league? Money or Lou?

whoDean · 08-31-2010, 09:13 AM

Lou is...

Money23 · 08-31-2010, 09:45 AM

Well, at first glance I thought that Lou created the roto league, so I went ahead and made a H2H league. I didn't notice it was Sam until later. But I don't want to step on Lou's toes, so if he wants to do it that's fine with me. If not then I will commish. I just wanted to make sure there's a H2H league because I dislike roto.

Lou Stefanic · 08-31-2010, 02:19 PM

Money can commish the H2H league. I just offered if he wasn't interested in this year.

whoDean · 08-31-2010, 02:53 PM

Is Money holding the cash too?

Money23 · 08-31-2010, 03:41 PM

Yeah, I'll do it who.

sam dav · 09-02-2010, 12:17 AM

All you asshats that want to play roto jump in, so we can fill up the league quickly.

Money23 · 09-02-2010, 03:27 AM

Guy might want to play, if you wind up needing someone. He likes roto.

T-Dot · 09-02-2010, 08:30 AM

I'm going to jump into the Roto

$30 sam?

sam dav · 09-02-2010, 11:06 AM

Yea, $30 should do it. Hold on to the cash for now, let's fill th league first.

Guy is probably not a good option, he just sucks in fantasy and abandons every league.

Money23 · 09-02-2010, 04:12 PM

I don't know, he stayed with the baseball league and made the playoffs this year. Since he got his laptop he's more reliable. But I'm not trying to talk you into it or anything, just letting you know.

Jad64 · 09-02-2010, 05:42 PM

Money dose have a point, he did hang in baseball this year...

King Mob · 09-02-2010, 05:48 PM

Pass on The Guy. Not sure how many fantasy leagues he has to swear he'll be serious about and then bail on before he stops getting invites.

Lou Stefanic · 09-02-2010, 10:08 PM

I'll do roto as well, although I'm really not a big fan of roto.

The King · 09-04-2010, 05:27 PM

I'm signed up for the roto. Who is collecting the money and how much?

The King · 09-04-2010, 05:28 PM

Can someone change the title on the thread so we know it's the roto league?

The King · 09-04-2010, 05:31 PM

I have no problem with Guy playing. He's easy money.

T-Dot · 09-04-2010, 05:40 PM

we need at least 6 more managers

Lou Stefanic · 09-04-2010, 08:42 PM

I edited the title of the thread to reflect that this is the roto league.

Jad64 · 09-05-2010, 02:54 AM

Im not in Roto so dont count on me..........

sam dav · 09-05-2010, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jad64

Im not in Roto so dont count on me..........

Jad, you should jump in roto, with your style, it should be a winner. Roto is a quite interesting for fantasy basketball geeks.

And if need be, I can collect the $$$, I have paypal.

Jad64 · 09-06-2010, 02:53 AM

Thats just it Sam, I dont have the money this month. Im taped out for awhile....

08-25-2010, 09:33 PM	#1
sam dav Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 787 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Palace ROTO Fantasy Basketball League Leagues are up, we might as well get our dates straight and decide early if we want a roto league this year(they also added an auction system this year). Last edited by Lou Stefanic; 09-04-2010 at 08:40 PM.

08-26-2010, 01:13 AM	#7
Jad64 Water Boy Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: in Hel_ Posts: 246 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	You get a fixed amount ( of money ) and then everyone bids on the players thay want. The biggest problem with this is that most people spend ALL of there money on 4 or 5 of the best players that they can get. Then they have no money left BUT, the computer lets everyone fill out there roster at the end of the draft for $ 1 or $ 2 each on the rest of there roster.... Last edited by Jad64; 08-26-2010 at 01:15 AM.

08-28-2010, 01:40 PM	#16
whoDean Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,955 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Sounds perfect. daily changes with 4 or 5 max per slot? Remember, you can still schedule all of your daily changes once per week if you wish. Last edited by whoDean; 08-28-2010 at 01:44 PM.

08-30-2010, 06:32 PM	#26
T-Dot Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 252 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I noticed they made some new features: 1) if you add free agents you can use them the same night 2) you can choose "1-win" standings like Football, so if you win a week you go 1-0, not 5-4, 6-3, 7-2 (im sure total categoreis won would break a tie in the final standings) Last edited by T-Dot; 08-30-2010 at 06:35 PM.

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08-25-2010, 09:38 PM	#2
King Mob Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,448 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I am in like a djinn.

08-25-2010, 09:46 PM	#3
Lou Stefanic Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,578 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	I'm in too. In fact, if people want, I'd be more than willing to collect and hold the cash this year from everybody. I seem to recall some issue with that last year, not that I don't think Money and KM haven't done great jobs in the past. Either way, whatever. What the hell is the auction function?

08-25-2010, 09:52 PM	#4
sam dav Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 787 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	You just bet cash sums on players, highest bidder wins the rights to the player if I remember correctly from previous leagues.

08-25-2010, 10:11 PM	#5
King Mob Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,448 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'd give it a whirl on a free league, I've heard auctions are fun. I've never done one before though, so I wouldn't in a money league.

08-25-2010, 11:58 PM	#6
whoDean Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,955 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	I'm in for another year.

08-26-2010, 08:22 AM	#8
The King Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,900 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'm in.

08-27-2010, 10:36 AM	#10
T-Dot Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 252 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	All that said, I think the most pressing issues are the weekly move limits & daily changes. I would much prefer to do daily changes with some sort of cap on weekly moves.

08-27-2010, 02:28 PM	#13
Jad64 Water Boy Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: in Hel_ Posts: 246 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Im with whoWean on this one. I like the daily changes also if possible......

08-28-2010, 10:33 AM	#14
Lou Stefanic Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,578 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	I'd be in favor of daily changes too, although I'll acquiesce to weekly changes if it means we get a larger league.

08-28-2010, 01:51 PM	#17
Jad64 Water Boy Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: in Hel_ Posts: 246 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	3 or 4 seems a bit excessive to me . I would think 2 or 3 per possition would suffice.

08-28-2010, 03:07 PM	#18
King Mob Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,448 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	The objection to daily moves has mainly been that it allows crappy teams to beat great teams by streaming players and playing an extra 5-10 games a week. The solution to that would appear to be adding a couple of bench spots so that every team has enough bench players to ensure they can fill their starting roster most days, and thinning the waiver pool to players even bad teams won't want to pick up and play. There's also the complaint that people don't want to have to look at their fantasy team evey day, but like Who said, you can set every spot for the week at once if you want. Although I don't know why anyone who thinks looking at their team once a day is too much of a commitment would want to be in a fantasy league anyway.

08-28-2010, 04:54 PM	#19
sam dav Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 787 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'd prefer a weekly limit cap at like 40-45 games or something close, with daily roster substitutes allowed. That way you can sub for injured players without having to sacrifice those games for the week. This has always been the biggest reason why we all wanted the daily changes in the first place. Now, who is in for a roto league? We need at least 10

08-28-2010, 08:10 PM	#20
King Mob Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,448 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	You can't cap games played, just adds. I'm in for a roto league.

08-28-2010, 08:38 PM	#21
sam dav Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 787 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Well, 10 positional players at 4 games each will do the same thing, correct?

08-28-2010, 09:21 PM	#22
King Mob Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,448 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'm not sure what you mean. You can't set a limit on how many games are played at a particular position. You can limit how many players are added in a week, to try and keep people from mass dumping and adding players each day in order to always field 10 guys. But there's no way to set it so a there is a cap on how many players a team can field in a week, other than the natural cap of 70. The problem is that good teams can't mass drop guys because they actually have good players on their bench, and bad teams do not so they have no problem dumping their bottom 5-6 guys in order to pad their games played every week. Getting stuck with an injured guy taking up a starting spot is a problem too, but it's the lesser of two evils.

08-30-2010, 10:59 AM	#24
King Mob Bench Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,448 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Start up the league, Lou.

08-30-2010, 03:56 PM	#25
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Is Lou starting a roto league? I'll commish a H2H league if there's enough interest.

08-30-2010, 07:21 PM	#27
The King Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,900 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'm in for both head to head and roto.

08-30-2010, 08:25 PM	#28
sam dav Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 787 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Go ahead and register for the roto league. We need to fill up this league first, as we are usually too late being proactive with the roto league. H2H will be filled regardless. League ID: 10835 Custom League URL: http://basketball.fantasysports.yaho...gue/palaceroto password: pistons Draft time: Wed, October 20th at 8:30pm. Let's get 10 people in. Buy in 25-30? Second place returns investment, 1st the rest?

08-31-2010, 08:47 AM	#29
T-Dot Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 252 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	who is doing the H2H league? Money or Lou?

08-31-2010, 09:13 AM	#30
whoDean Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,955 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Lou is...

08-31-2010, 09:45 AM	#31
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Well, at first glance I thought that Lou created the roto league, so I went ahead and made a H2H league. I didn't notice it was Sam until later. But I don't want to step on Lou's toes, so if he wants to do it that's fine with me. If not then I will commish. I just wanted to make sure there's a H2H league because I dislike roto.

08-31-2010, 02:19 PM	#32
Lou Stefanic Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,578 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Money can commish the H2H league. I just offered if he wasn't interested in this year.

08-31-2010, 02:53 PM	#33
whoDean Sixth Man Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,955 : 0 For This Post 1 Total	Is Money holding the cash too?

08-31-2010, 03:41 PM	#34
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Yeah, I'll do it who.

09-02-2010, 12:17 AM	#35
sam dav Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 787 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	All you asshats that want to play roto jump in, so we can fill up the league quickly.

09-02-2010, 03:27 AM	#36
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Guy might want to play, if you wind up needing someone. He likes roto.

09-02-2010, 08:30 AM	#37
T-Dot Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 252 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I'm going to jump into the Roto $30 sam?

09-02-2010, 11:06 AM	#38
sam dav Water Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 787 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	Yea, $30 should do it. Hold on to the cash for now, let's fill th league first. Guy is probably not a good option, he just sucks in fantasy and abandons every league.

09-02-2010, 04:12 PM	#39
Money23 Sixth Man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: F-f-f-f-Flintown Posts: 3,941 : 0 For This Post 0 Total	I don't know, he stayed with the baseball league and made the playoffs this year. Since he got his laptop he's more reliable. But I'm not trying to talk you into it or anything, just letting you know.